After having been shoved and shouted at last night by pro-life Catholics who call the RH Bill and modern contraception the road that leads straight to death, I may be forgiven for taking the headline “Pope says condoms may be OK in some circumstances” as a joke, especially since the cited circumstance is to prevent the transmission of HIV. After all, this is the same Pope who condemned the use of condoms even in AIDS-ravaged Africa, from the same Church whose self-proclaimed “real” members just hours ago handed out pamphlets that claimed that condoms helped the spread of AIDS. How on earth could condom use ever be justified?
Apparently, if you’re a male prostitute.
Of course, since the Catholic Church is still opposed to contraceptives as a means to prevent pregnancy, we must take it to mean that this justification only applies to male prostitutes whose use of condoms does not affect any potential for procreation.
That’s right, gay prostitutes.
In so many roundabout words the Pope says in a an upcoming book that he thinks it’s a good idea for gay prostitutes to wear condoms, because “the intention of reducing the risk of infection” is “a first step in the direction of a moralization, a first assumption of responsibility”, but maintains that for Africa, abstinence is the only sure way to combat HIV/AIDS. This begs the question of course of whether the circumstance of monogamous married couples where one spouse is infected are offered the same leniency as male prostitutes, or because using a condom still prevents the potential for conception we are meant to understand that the official Catholic stance remains; condoms are still outright forbidden.
This double standard Pope Benedict seems to have adopted in favor of the protection of male prostitutes and their clients seems all the more sickening in the face of the rising number of HIV/AIDS cases in Africa and around the world. It makes me wonder, perhaps with some amusement, if this was brought about by a rising number of HIV/AIDS cases among the clergy.
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The Pope's statement had been twisted by the media and taken out of context. The male prostitute example is merely that: an example of a scenario wherein the use of condoms may be justified because it is meant to prevent the spread of the disease. It in no way justifies male prostitution, and nor does it limit to male prostitution the cases wherein the use of condoms may be justified. The stand is clear: the Church is against the use of condoms as contraceptives, but if it is rendered necessary because of a clear harm, i.e. the spread of the disease, then it may be justified. An analogy is the justification of "harming" another person when it is done as self-defense. This, in no way, justifies murder.
Most clienteles of the services of prostitutes be they male, female, trans-gender, and true hermaphrodites prefer the fellatio, or mouth service, or french kiss, who will now use the condom? the Prostitute or the client?
How about prostitutes who are true hermaphrodites, and has both sex organs, and may most probably be carriers, will a condom prevent the spread of STD or HIV with a sexual encounter with say it (not he nor she)? Will the droppings from the top organ not spread to the lower?
Does this mean that prostitution is OK?
Have the Pope tried the services of a male prostitute?
That's what the pope gets for being so cryptic. Why are church proclamations intentionally worded so vaguely as to be interpreted every which way possible?
If the law was worded like religious doctrine, I'd imagine courtrooms would turn into a circus
it is not a Church proclamation. it is an interview -a personal opinion of the Pope.
So was this his own opinion as well?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11332515
As was this?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23…
Or How about the pope's previous opinion regarding Condoms?
http://www.badscience.net/2010/09/the-pope-and-ai…
I didn't see you guys protesting that it was just Ratzi's "personal opinion."
Typical.
When your leader says something you agree with, you pounce on the chance to quote-mine them when facing opponents to say it's a church mandate. But the minute he says something contrary, your ilk is quick to claim "It's his opinion only!"
Make up your bloody mind.
You people doenst know anything whats going on in the world. Media are protected by elite peole and controlled by elite people and they controlled you. Dont blame the religious people and pope, Blame yourself because you are blind of everything.
This is completely ridiculous.. How can the Pope even be against condoms in the first place? So many public schools are teaching teens in America and other countries to use condoms every time they have sex. Even in my high school health class, my teacher told us condoms help to stop the spread of STDs and AIDS. And if condoms are okay for male prostitutes to use, condoms should be okay for everyone to use. The Pope shouldn't just make an exception for part of the gay community.
yay to male whores. the holy folks need them.
Why doesn't the Church simply outlaw prostitution in the same way it has outlawed contraception? Prostitution is a clear example of hedonistic sex – purely for pleasure with no intent of procreation, clearly a violation of God's design.
cannot be. The vatican staff itself is a regular customer to gay prostitutes:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/03/05/…
Prostitution is an offense against chastity.
"Prostitution does injury to the dignity of the person who engages in it, reducing the person to an instrument of sexual pleasure. The one who pays sins gravely against himself: he violates the chastity to which his Baptism pledged him and defiles his body, the temple of the Holy Spirit.139 Prostitution is a social scourge. It usually involves women, but also men, children, and adolescents (The latter two cases involve the added sin of scandal.). While it is always gravely sinful to engage in prostitution, the imputability of the offense can be attenuated by destitution, blackmail, or social pressure." -Catechism of the Catholic Church 2355
Maybe those are the rules, but the priests are obviously not following them, are they?
our government has a law against graft and corruption and yet we have people in the office who are obviously not following the law, does that mean that the government is wrong and that it would help our country if we get rid of our government?
Our government doesn't have a system in place to transfer rapists from parish to parish 😉
neither the Church has a system in place.
O' rly?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,151…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/53…
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/world/europe/25…
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/se…
Wasn't the sale of indulgences before by the Church a form of prostitution?
yes. and that is why the sale of indulgences is also wrong.
More on the Church's stance in light of the Pope's statement:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM…
But they're still going to hell, right? Cos they're gay. And therefore an abomination. LOL POPE
And what "facts" are these?
From Matt's source:
[In 1980, Ratzinger had personally authorized the transfer of an abusive priest, Peter Hullermann, from another part of Germany to his own archdiocese, ostensibly for therapy. But just days after his arrival, the priest was allowed to serve among the flock. Hullermann was convicted of subsequent sexual assaults in 1986. ]
These are also among the "damn" facts, Matt 🙂
omg, THE POPE is so yesterday.
The Pope is yesterday, today and forever, because w/o him we live like an animal w/o morality and self respect. Our lives become cheap and it is already very cheap and bargain.
Your grammar sounds like it was bought at the bottom rung of a bargain bin.
This comes as a surprise turnaround on the RCC's position on male prostitution. Hmmm… I guess they need an alternative since the heat is on them when it comes to fondling little boys. :p
there is nothing new, it is not a "surprise turnaround". it clearly shows where the Church is coming from when it comes to the issue on contraception- that the sexual act cannot be isolated from its unitive and procreative purposes.
here is a good resource to understand the context of his remarks. http://insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2010/11/what…
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