Tastebuds, Tsunamis, and the Thorough Twisting of Truth: A Recap of the Anti-RH Forum at SM Megamall (1 of 3 Parts)

This post has been updated with a video of the forum

“If one of those Freedumbers go to the Chapel to disrupt the discussion, I will knock the senses out of them and wipe off the taste of their last meal out of their taste buds!”

The Pinoy Catholic, referring to the event Women Speak Out: The Medical and Legal Truths on the RH Bill

We weren’t sure if the Freedumbers showed up that day, much less if they were attacked by some dude with a knuckle ring on one hand and a super-absorbent sponge in the other, but it was still quite a show we witnessed at the lecture Women Speak Out: The Medical and Legal Truths on the RH Bill. Held last April 30 at the Chapel of the Eucharistic Lord at SM Megamall, the lecture was sponsored by the Defensores Fidei Foundation, and featured mother-daughter team Dr. Lucille Montes and Atty. Cristina Montes as speakers.

The first half of the lecture was headed by Dr. Montes, who focused on what she purports to be the medical dangers of contraception, and the bill’s supposed synonymity with enforced population reduction. The key points she raised were as follows (text in quotation marks were transcribed verbatim):

  • “The main objective of the bill is to control the population…in the guise of promoting health.”
  • “Contraceptives remove the barriers of premarital and extramarital sex.”
  • Contraceptives will “destroy the Filipino value of life.”
  • Newspapers over-dramatize the number of abortions that occur in the country.
  • Contraceptives, which aren’t 100% foolproof, give people a false sense of security, and when these people end up getting pregnant, the next step they’ll end up taking is abortion.
  • “Separating sex from procreation develops in the person an anti-life mentality.”
  • Contraceptives lead to sex-on-demand, which in turn will lead to the abuse of women.
  • (while showing graphs displaying the population growth rates of various countries, including the Philippines, Italy, and Japan, wherein the majority of the Filipino population continued to be composed of very young children through the years, while the other countries’ demographics were more evenly spread age-wise) We are lucky to have far more young people than old people, because it means there are enough Filipinos of working age who can support those who cannot or can no longer work.
  • In Japan’s case, where the elderly outnumber the young, it would be possible for those who are pro-choice to actually subscribe to the idea of killing off these elderly should matters get too desperate, since being pro-choice apparently means being anti-life.
  • (while showing the population growth rates of Japan) “Ayokong isipin pero hindi ko ma-help i-connect yung disaster sa Japan doon sa facts na ang tagal-tagal na nilang nagaabortion at may policy on population control.” (I don’t want to think about it, but I can’t help connecting the disaster in Japan with the fact that the Japanese have long been purveyors of abortion and population control.)

Dr. Montes’s “tsunami = come-uppance” bit was very harrowing to hear. Another disconcerting part of her lecture was when she voiced her relief regarding the delay tactics against RH Bill-related proceedings at the Batasang Pambansa, which basically meant that she condoned certain government officials’ outright wasting of time and tax money for their own selfish interests. The “broken air-con” issue was also thrown in for extra crazy:

  • Thanks to the “vigilance of the pro-life people,” every time the RH Bill is about to be put to a vote in the Batasan, the pro-lifers go to the Batasan to protest, in effect delaying the said voting.
  • That time when the Bill’s sessions were delayed because the Batasan’s air-conditioning went kaput was actually a good thing.
  • The anti-RH will be holding another demonstration at Batasan on May 9, when the Bill’s sessions resume.

Then, to end her half of the lecture, Dr. Montes opted for scare tactics and played a short propaganda video by the American Life League that demonized birth control advocate Margaret Sanger–a surreal and unfounded attempt to link our RH Bill issue with racism and eugenics.

Up next was Dr. Montes’s daughter Atty. Cristina Montes, who focused this time on certain legal issues regarding the Bill.

End of Part 1. Click here for Part 2. Part 3 is up. as well as video footage of the event, will be up soon.

Update: Below is our video recording of the anti RH Conference at Megamall (Part 1 of 3).

100 comments

  1. Dear Church (and all concerned),

    Here are somethings I want to ask.

    1) Why is getting an education on a catholic school very expensive? Since you VALUE life so much, Why not make education free of charge as Charity allow so that these children would grow up and become better Catholics than us pro-RH bill Catholics.

    2) There are people and children starving on the streets that you allow to starve… can the numerous nuns praying in your beautiful secluded convents (pricey retreat house) reach out and feed them every day instead of once every blue moon?

    3) Can you provide FREE Medical assistance to each and every striving Filipino in need? A Charitable Catholic hospital perhaps?

    4) Why are there more and more children begging on the streets? where are those orphanages? there should me enough since we are an extinct race right?

    my point is… if you cannot support the growing population… then please support minimizing it.

  2. The speaker here is not even certain and doesn't know what is she really talking about as she discuss the population status of the philippines. And her reference is a decade older! Andali lng naman mag google, US census has the population pyramid of the philippines with the latest @ 2010

  3. FFT starkingly oppose anything that has to do with Catholicism. The group labels themselves as "free" but the are so bitter and hostile towards something. You call this liberating??? Hurling "free" ideas can be self-destructing. Be real.You should try another name. Try "Filipino Freak Twisters"!

  4. The Philippines is poor.

    We all know this.

    We don't have enough money to provide food for our growing population.
    We don't have enough money to provide shelter for our growing population.
    We don't have enough money to provide jobs for our growing population.
    We don't have enough money to provide everyone with decent education, much more about SEX alone.

    You say that if RH bill would be passed, Filipinos would lose it's morality and values about life and procreation? Well guys, can't you see that exactly what's happening now?

    It's not as if you can stop the world from changing. THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. You have to accept that fact. Not for anyone, and not even for the Church or for Christianity.

    You have cited many probable consequences that RH bill could bring, but what if we don't do anything now, do you really think that would stop these things from happening? Do you even honestly think that most of these things are not yet happening in our country? OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES PEOPLE!! DON'T FOOL YOURSELVES.

    SO WHY CAN'T WE JUST GIVE RH BILL A CHANCE AND NOT LET THE CHURCH, YET AGAIN, MAKE THE DECISION FOR US. IF THEY CAN FEED US AND PROVIDE FOR OUR NEEDS THEN LET THEM BE, BUT THEY DON'T. SO PLEASE, LET'S ALL BE RATIONAL ABOUT THIS.

  5. Its good to know that more and more people are finally getting the idea about how the RH bill can affect the lives of the Filipino. For the past 16 years of my existence, I was born and raised as a Christian. Being raised as that, I know for sure how this RH bill can demoralize the present and future generation of this country. Which wont be pretty I tell you, seeing that this country is still in the midst of financial insecurities. If they really want to help this country then they (the government) should stop wasting time about this RH bill and the possible cost of this said project and start helping the poor raise to their feet again. If people were to be taught about something, I think it should about how sacred marriage is and so does having sex.

  6. We, the organizers of the program being referred to herein, never gave you permission to post the video of the said activity on your website, we ask that you take it down immediately.

    Ricardo Boncan
    Secretary
    Defensores Fidei Foundation

  7. I just want to ask, how do you actually define conception and fertilization? Do you think there has been conception already even if the egg cell hasn't met with the sperm cell yet? No right… fertilization only takes place also after the sperm and the egg cell meets… SO technically and scientifically speaking, there's no abortion related stuff with the RH Bill… And yes, I am pro RH bill, because I believe that it'll greatly help control our population. And I do believe that since people in the Philippines generally do not know how to control their urges, might as well protect yourselves. This RH bill won't generally go to the same outcome as what happened to Japan… Why are you People so pessimistic? If you think of the worst case scenario, then you can never see the good at anything! Think how greatly RH bill can help the Economy? Lesser people to consume our remaining scarce resources, better allocation for everyone, lesser people to starve and die because of poverty…. There are many other more positive outcomes, but this is what I'll share for now… Try to be optimistic… you're being inclusive, try to think exculsively…

    • Art 2 Sec 12 of the 87 Consti states that life begins when the egg cell and sperm cell meet. I've written a paper about this last sem, the author of my reference article, a Philo prof at San Francisco StateU, asserted that while physical life begins then, moral living does not. And the latter is that which is vital for a society to function. Her name is Mary Warren, if I remember correctly.

      Hi nga pala miss. I stand behind you. =)

      The Stoics, popular during the Post-Aristotelian Philo period (That is when Greece is synonymous with chaotic) defined two things that make up happiness. First, to get what it is that we want. Secondly, and I believe this applies to us now, to want what it is that we get.

      In short, to accept that not everything can be controlled, and to make amends/make the best out of those that are 'ours' to meddle with.

      Sexual urges are freakin natural, and eternal. I don't want to display figures and scientific reports about this. Anybody who went to puberty gets this point.

      Now we are given a rare chance to finally be in control of something that for decades have remained under wraps, as the practice of such stamps deviance automatically onto our foreheads. And what other possession is more valuable than choice? A sense of power and control in a universe that doesn't leave much to your hands than those few matters? Only an idiot would surrender that for the sake of retaining the sense that he has his place in a comforting fairy tale.

  8. I hate it when people blame God for disasters that occur. Is it really the will of God for millions of innocent lives to end? Is the Catholic God such a vengeful god that he would allow such number of deaths? I think not. God shouldn't be included in these kinds of human issues.

    On the issue of population control, yes, the Phil gov't should do something about the burgeoning population.

    Bakit ang simbahang Katoliko ba magpapakain sa mga nagugutom na tao? Just look at the number of people sa slum areas who are uneducated and do not know anything about birth control. A pedicab driver with 8 kids! Imagine that. Mga pari ba magpapakain sa mga anak nila? Magpapaaral? Magpapahospitalize?

    How many more fetuses do they need on their doorstep? And to say that overblown ang abortion report? Abortion is abortion whether in small number or not. What's the cause of abortion in the first place? If the religious sects can do something about those in the first place then dapat noon pa nagawa na nila. It doesn't promote promiscuity coz that has been already in existence long before somebody thought of that bill. Hellooooo…… Condoms and pills are available in drugstores and grocery stores for as long as I can remember.

  9. I'm using a mobile device and I apologize again for the many typos..
    One of which is the website about women who speak out about how abortion destroyed them, and took their sense of dignity & found themselves back up again through healing, and acknowledging their child died. It's http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/ I've seen very moving testimonies on tv. Some of which have multiple abortions. Even the fathers of aborted babies speak out. Every January the day US legalized abortion these people gather, with the pro life politicians the organizers. It's an amazing event to behold. Ewtn on cable constantly covers them. Ewtn is free to view on their website too. I'm not a goon- I'm not even a member of any pro life group. As you can see, I don't have all my sources in one place. Lolz. But the abortion/population control ideology is worldwide. And the discussions are very dynamic and interesting.

    • [It's an amazing event to behold. Ewtn on cable constantly covers them. Ewtn is free to view on their website too. I'm not a goon- I'm not even a member of any pro life group. ]

      But you take EWTN seriously. That alone tells me about your reasoning, of lackoff.
      https://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/11/16/orly-o

      [One of which is the website about women who speak out about how abortion destroyed them, and took their sense of dignity & found themselves back up again through healing, and acknowledging their child died. It's http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/ I've seen very moving testimonies on tv. ]

      Moving testimonials. The patented double-barrel blast of appeal to emotions, and anecdotal evidence logical fallacies.

      • Meh- eh Kung walang katotohanan yan bakit pati mga doctor nauubusan sila para mag perform ng abortion? Kasi nga may scientific and medical proofs supportig their claim. Ang trend nga- from pro choice/abortion to pro life; rare and pro life to pro choice. At bakit 50% ng Americans identify themselves as pro life ? Dahil sa mga YouTube videos showing how the unborn baby dies in the womb, showing it's anatomy the nerve structures in place in a matter of 4 weeks maybe? America will not stop abortion until they see it. Therefore, kung gano nila nilabanan slavery, showing pictures of abuse etc ganon din tactics sa abortion. Hindi Lang patented testimonies πŸ™‚

      • Kung hindi ka satisfied sa mga links ko edi I google mo king HPV vaccinations nga for 11 yr olds kunin mo yung mga CNN etc. Not sure Kung pano nila I-sp-spin yon. O eno yung link ko from huffington post na super liberal paper about sa social network ng hookups/casual sex? Eto ba ay Hindi dahil naging divorced na ang pananaw nila sa sex and procreation? Did it give them a healthy, authentic way about the meaning of sex? Yan ang sinasabi kong dahil over 30 yrs+ abortion on demand and sex education, contraception sila they are starting to see now the affects. It didnt happen over night. Obviously. Sure you can wish to ignore If theres connection at all. πŸ™‚

      • Oh.. Msnbc na yan http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30771408/ns/us_news-l… you can't be more
        Liberal than that.. Over 50% of Americans identify themselves as
        Pro life. Kasi nga dahil may medical/scientific facts na sila to see what's going on with the unborn child. YouTube vids not necessarily ewtn, etc. O nag link din ako ng wikipedia article about how it started with the supreme court backing of contraception in 60s. Of course you can ignore if there's any connection. Lahat ng sinabi ko in short may tantamount na articles in other sites that are not
        Prolife. Partica Last minute ko lang pinag kukuha yang mga yan. Kung may nagsabi lang sakin 10 yrs ago- edi ang ganda na ng prolife compilation ko hahaha

  10. This is probably the most important post I'm gonna make so please; consider it:

    Instead of using the time and tax money of ppl in contraception and sex education – why not educate the ppl about "sexual ethics". Put back the sexuality back to its proper context which is marriage and life long commitment. Let them see and appreciate the beauty of marriage. Ever wonder why std's are caught in promiscuous sex and virtually no STD are developed in a monogamous marriage? Ever think if that's exactly how God intended it to be? That abusing sexuality leads to more problems. Also, do you know that the number of STD's went on the rise after the sexual revolution? Summer of love? Hippie america? Again, why not educate the ppl about NFP. Pope John Paul II's "theology of the body" applied to NFP is more healthy, emotionally and spiritually. Plus the fact that the methods are  getting more accurate with spacing children. But instead of a mentality that sex is not to have children (contraception) the couple is open to life- because the methods are in place for the couple to realize that their bodies are not "objects" for the spouses to use; the couples talk about the fertility of the woman, they learn to work their schedules, the husband do a little bit more effort in getting his wife's temperature etc. The couple also learns to spend intimate time together without having sex, reading a book together etc. That's when the couple learn to appreciate each other, respect each other more- because they're not available to be "Used" for mere pleasure. It's a holistic, healthy approach in marriage and sexuality. Again, these are testimonies from the couples practicing them. Google "theology of the body", humanae vitae and nfp. That's a much better use of the people's tax money. 

  11. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009

    Another quote from the Above article *"IPPF also lists advocacy objectives that include pressuring governments "to recognize the right of all young people to make decisions about their own sexual and reproductive health" and to "build momentum for universal access to sexual and reproductive health services around the world."*

    "Build momentum.." that means influence- talking points- promotional to this "universal access" to reproductive health services. Meaning contraception and yes abortion. If we as a country are overwhelmingly against it- it doesn't matter UN and IPPF can "build momentum" for Filipino lawmakers to make this vision a reality. And having that RH bill
    In place is like putting your foot to the door πŸ™‚

    • Life Site News. I've heard enough.

      So far you've posted the mainstream Pro-Life groups known on the net – all of whom have a reputation for lying and distorting facts. So please, make our day, and quote Fox News πŸ˜€

      • Meh – standard lies distorting facts ka naman parati, edi I google mo Kung talagan may summit na nangyaring ganon.. :p

  12. Another source proving that this is a global conspiracy.. Again – you don't hear this in msm but it happens and check it out the united nations is behind it:
    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009

    NEW YORK, NY, May 7, 2009 (C-FAM) – The International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) recently launched a new petition campaign that aims to pressure governments to "promote, protect and fulfill their promise to provide better access to sexual and reproductive health services" for all young people "regardless of age." The petition was launched in commemoration of the fifteenth anniversary of the International Conference on Population and Development (ICPD).

    It bears repeating: "promote, protect and fulfill their promise to provide better access to sexual and reproductive health services" for all young people "regardless of age." sexual rights again came from a contraceptive mentality by the culture

    • ["promote, protect and fulfill their promise to provide better access to sexual and reproductive health services" for all young people "regardless of age." sexual rights again came from a contraceptive mentality by the culture ]

      In short, they don't judge, and administer education and services without bias. I can see why you seem so intimidated – they act far more professionally and humanely than your so-called "Pro-Life" thugs.

      Your statement speaks far more about your agenda than it does your opponent.

  13. If youre not impressed by how cbcp local pro life group is handling the RH bill discussion. Use an alternative which is the US pro life group. Notice how they are now starting to insinuate how the problem they have about abortion came from massive use of contraception. They provide very smart and articulate talking points- because they have the doctors, the women, the statistics, demographics hard facts for this issue. Know that before the pro life group is very small and taboo in the beginning- but like I said as more scientific and medical prove the harm on many levels abortion is that's when they start to gain steam. Get off the band wagon that is in the verge of self-imploding. Having said that I also recommend http://www.ewtn.com prolife section.

  14. Again- I keep citing examples from the abortion scene in the US because they are exhibit A of the population control thing (& much of the west); only that they're unique because they're the only developed nation with a very palpable prolife presence as well as traditional, conservative values. I'm talking about the middle class not the Hollywood types and those who're from ultra lib states like ca and ny. They started in the 60s with the contraception legality court ruling I offered the wiki link above; then abortion in the 70s then comprehensive sex education that gets more aggressive by the decade. I also cited examples of moral degradation like the website for hook ups and casual sex, that 41% of pregnancies end in abortion in nY official website http://nyc41percent.com/does-it-matter ; google the keywords I gave "walk for life" "silentnomoreawareness.org" "priestsforlife.org" if you want the truth about contraception and it's link to abortion. Lastly, google "humanae vitae" it's a document released by the church in the 1960s(!) getting more attention today claiming that contraception will lead to more abortions, contrary to what most people think. After 40 years I think there is 50 million abortions in the US alone.

  15. And when you have school administrators thinking you may have sex as young as 11 (in these HPV vaccinations), those kids would think it's something very normal for them to do. Again the RH bill only focuses on sexuality divorced from family and life long commitment in marriage. This did not happen overnight in the West nor will in the Philippines. But it's taking the same tragic course.

  16. Here is the court ruling that basically gives contraception as much legal backing as it wants. And like I said, all these atrocities didn't happen over night it's a gradual decline due to society operating on problematic moral principles.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecti

    Grisworld v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965),[1] was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Constitution protected a right to privacy. The case involved a Connecticut law that prohibited the use of contraceptives. By a vote of 7–2, the Supreme Court invalidated the law on the grounds that it violated the "right to marital privacy".
    http://www.hli.org/index.php/hli-research – please click on demographic impact for statistics, etc.
    http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/02/nat-4777/
    That’s when (Obama) will officially scrap the Mexico City Policy that stops funding groups that promote or perform abortions overseas. Sorry about earlier, as you know I'm typing with a mobile device- and it's hard to type my messages as accurate as possible. The Mexico policy is to ban abortion (and population control methods) abroad. The US is a major player on this- depending on whose in office. 
    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008…  this is another upfront of sex education advocates for schools to conduct HPV vaccinations to grade schoolers. A good number of parents are uneasy about this because it assumes children will have sex as young as 11 yrs old so we'd better be prepared. When in fact these vaccinations only work for a small percentage of HPVs. The link provides more info to more of its controversies.

    I'll get back about the other international summits pushing abortion as a "human right", UN has it's full backing. I think it was in the early 90s in Egypt. It wasnt successful because the Catholic church and other Muslim countries were against. But these summits, events happen on a regular basis! It is a global conspiracy, people. I'll update this from time to time but this would suffice for now.

    And to the person who called me a goon, you're the one full of hate and calling me names and cussing. Ha! You just sound like one! πŸ™‚

    PS. If you have cable, tune in on ewtn; they have a regular segment there called defending life. When we say abortion you can bet that's code for population control and its various methods like contraception. There are also many features, sociologists and what not about the population control scene worldwide.

  17. Also OP, why did you put that quotation about the brass knuckles there? Don't you think that invites animosity to people who tries to provide a different view? Akala tuloy nila kagad goon ako lolz. Also, to be honest, I've been following this abortion debate for over a decade now. Not in my wildest dreams did I imagine they're coming for us too. I've seen on tv (ewtn provides many pro life programs) discussing statistics, graphs, the "demographic winter" happening now in the west, etc. And sites like those I've mentioned eg. http://www.lifesitenews.com ..the problem here is most of the RH bill supporters are in loop or rut of misinformation. They do "sell" the ideology of population control with flowery words- but they don't give you the dark side of it. Hopefully, I can find all the links I want, but in the meantime- read the arguments and talking points on http://www.lifesitenews.com

    • Unfortunately for you, I also follow the RH scene in the United States. And while you may bitch and moan about how it's the pro-RH side that's resorting to misinformation, it's quite easy to prove that it's your side that's guilty of this charge. Observe Exhibit A:
      https://filipinofreethinkers.org/2011/04/12/lying-

      [I've seen on tv (ewtn provides many pro life programs) discussing statistics, graphs, the "demographic winter" happening now in the west, etc. And sites like those I've mentioned eg. <a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com” target=”_blank”>www.lifesitenews.com ..the problem here is most of the RH bill supporters are in loop or rut of misinformation.]

      Life Site News and EWTN? I think it's fair game at this point to call you a gullible tool. Both groups have a very obvious right wing slant to their reporting, with the latter (EWTN) resorting to below-the-belt strawman attacks against other groups and organizations they do not like. Here is one example:
      https://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/11/16/orly-o
      If Rightwing nut sites and apologist television networks are all you can present as "hard evidence," you might as well present us on an article from the KKK denouncing racial equality and tolerance.

      You're a god-bothering liar. We don't take kindly to your ilk here.

  18. where are the moral values of those who supports the RH bill? I agree with SOME points like we are overpopulated. etc. but is this what we've become? supporting this so we can justify our immorality?

  19. Ps. Embryonic stem cell research is connected to the pro choice/abortion agenda. That's why you never hear about the adult stem cell break through it's ethical counterpart. Because the left is very obsessed with manipulating human life.. Dispose it, experiment on it, etc. Do you know that they also push for euthanasia? And yes another reason why the left/msm hate Thr Catholic church is it opposes mercy killing. Expand your horizons again. The real info is on the web.

  20. And if you really don't want to believe me that liberal media bias is prevalent in the states- (of course this affects the kind of information that reaches everybody , including this issue) know that in the last election the house (congress) is overwhelmed by conservatives they campaigned not by msm coverage but grass roots effort (twitter, fb, blogs) ..all the msm could say about the teaparty is that their nazis and extremists; msm bias is prevalent. So please check out sites like http://www.lifesitenews.com/ and http://www.priestsforlife.org ..PS. I meant to say the church approves adult stem cell but not embryonic- btw, another topic- you'd be surprised how many cures adult stem cell operations had made- while escr is zilch. But they keep drumming the latter for public approval.. Why? Because if you could manipulate the human embryo you render the unborn child disposable.

  21. This is in response to the poster who said something about a conspiracy. I suppose you mean the msm bias thing? And when do you ever catch CNN and co.show a positive feature about NFP, which helps a lot of couples? Never. But they do love showing gay couples adopting their child thru IVF. You never hear this phenomena about Anglicans crossing the Tiber (joining the catholic church) but you will hear lots of priests abusing their authority. I know the latter is a tragedy and a real problem, & for the most part, it is to discredit thr church or discourage its flock. But in the states- liberal media bias is no secret. They can defame the catholic church all they want because of a variety of reasons. They hate what it fights for : sanctity of marriage between man and woman. Sanctity of human life, embryonic stem cell research etc etc. The Church has credible, comprehesive arguments that is so much against liberal views. Again- checkout the catholic league website, they are a watch dog on the msm who oversteps in their anti-Catholicism. And you'd be surprised how it happens regularly!

    Also check out the Mexico policy that Obama signed again- it's a policy providing population control in Mexico. Bush stopped it while obambie resumed it- as well as the stem cell embryonic research.

    • Bill Donohue's Catholic League? Oh, you mean the group that tried to shift the blame from the pedo priests to the kids they molested?
      http://www.queerty.com/the-disgusting-defense-of-

      …and, among other things, have launched a nonstop campaign of bigotry and hatred against the LGBT community?
      http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/04/catholic-lea

      …and you seriously want me to think THEY are the victims in this whole hullaballoo?

      Your church fights for many things, but it does not include genuine human rights or women's welfare.

      And if you're bitching that the "liberal media" is to blame for your woes, well to quote Papa Bear: "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

      Get used to it.

      • Try to save your Spirituality and Morality first before you hit things with our Church. Our Church might be the one who can save and help you from what you're going through now, with regards to your Spirituality most especially

        • [Our Church might be the one who can save and help you from what you're going through now, with regards to your Spirituality most especially]

          I learned more about spirituality from reading the works of Morihei Ueshiba, Miyamoto Musashi, and Mas Oyama, than I did in theology class.

          And really @ewwysexygem , are you implying that group that has defended bigotry and rapists is in any way able to speak convincingly about Spirituality and Morality?

          You're a fucking moron.

  22. these women should be struck off their respective professions. titles sound so airy fairy when the name of the game is deception. they were probably banking on their titles to give their agenda an air of validity.

    the tsunami was an effect of japan's population control advocacy? tomfoolery. the people who did not see through this BS ought to be sterilized.

    • Speaking of moral degradation, let's look at where the highest incidences of teen pregnancies are in the United States:

      The Bible Belt: http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/relhttp://toddyenglish.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/teen

      Admittedly the US' religious states did a bang-up job of convincing people that "contraceptive mentality" is evil. A shame they didn't do as well in convincing them that a responsible "sexual mentality" was also a good idea.

      And dm1, a person's sexuality is not the sole monopoly of the religious right, catholic conservatives, or any other religious community. If you think lose sexual behavior is wrong, you're welcome to remain chaste.

      However, if people engage in responsible, casual sex, that's not your fucking business anymore.

      Now, are you going to continue being a moron?

    • More on "moral degradation"

      The biggest downloaders of porn in the US?

      Bible Belt http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16680-porn-

      And who are getting the fattest in the US? http://bigthink.com/ideas/21349

      dm1, you claim "moral degradation," I claim hypocrisy on your part.

      As for you whining about name-calling, to set it straight: An ad hominem is only valid if the name-calling is irrelevant to the discussion.

      I called you out, and countered your assertions with hard data and facts. Hence I am well within my rights to call you a fucking liar, because you are.

      I also cite that instead of addressing these statistics, you resorted to saying they're part of some hidden agenda, and insisting that your own reference – a pro-life group with far more dubious agendas and credibility than Guttmacher – is true. Hence, I am within my rights to call you a moron.

      So there it is – you are a fucking moron, and a fucking liar.

  23. [don't be naive! it is no big secret that the american gov't donates money for china to abort children, and in mexico! of course- the philippines being 3rd world is also their target ]

    Back away from the Kool-Aid, nice and slow…

  24. Also, all that info I get you cannot hear from the mainstream media. Actually, there's a phenomenon called mainstream media bias.. You won't hear that kind of honest coverage in news outlets like CNN, msnbc, CBS, and of course if that's the trend I won't be surprised if channel 2 & channel 7 would follow their lead. The above foreign brands detest conservative, traditional values- especially whatever moral principle the catholic church espouses/supports.

  25. And I would like to add.. what other outcomes does contraceptive mentality cause? Broken families, single parents.. For example. Teenagers with 6 years+ of sex education goes to a party (which they often do) get drunk- again this is just a common example- and they contracept because it's what is being taught to them all their years in school… and the condom/pill fails… what normally happens, is the girl is left with the responsibility of the child.. it is not uncommon for the man to take off.. in short, contraceptive mentality results to even more problems like single parenthood, and broken families. And what seems to be a dirty little secret to many of the liberal media is that most folks in jail/correctional facilities come from broken homes, single parents, etc. Again, it begets more evil. simple as that.

    • [Therefore, people being so used to having sex just for recreation and suddenly gets pregnant- they see the baby as a threat. And end up going to abortion clinics as a back up contraception. Hot topic yan sa States- papunta pa lang tayo sa malaking kamalian ng mga kano. ]

      Anecdotal references don't make for solid facts, moron. Neither will obvious strawmen. You know what else is a hot topic in the states? Pro-Life goons like you caught repeatedly lying about the facts.

      • haha name calling.. ouch! I have so many posts expanding and proving my point. why not state why you disagree on them, yung smart answer sana. :p

      • why do you think the US House Congress want to defund the biggest abortion provider Planned Parenthood? Why do you think the most recent survey shows over 50% americans identify themselves as prolife? all those are goons you mean? sure.

        • [why do you think the US House Congress want to defund the biggest abortion provider Planned Parenthood?]

          The US House of Congress. The same one that's currently being run by the GOP?

          Yes, they are goons, and you only need to look at the reaction they're getting from any medical doctor, hospital, health care provider, human rights activist, and pretty much anybody else on the street with common sense.

  26. Also, do you know that the biggest abortion provider in America Planned Parenthood was to be DEFUNDED by the US House in Congress? and that over 50% identify themselves as PRO LIFE? this is because people are getting more educated about the RUSE called pro-choice/abortion and soon enough you bet- it's gonna be contraceptives.. may take more than 30 years, seeing how overly sexualized the culture is. But it will get there.

  27. And it's true – Hilary Clinton is a strong advocate of abortion rights- and of course contraception. And if you really are in depth in the global debate on abortion (whose elder sister is contraception) google it. http://www.hli.org/ is one website. And why the West's population continually decline to almost irreplaceable think ITALY. The only reason why their economy is sustainable is because of heavy immigration. And yes- it's no secret about the Wests attitude toward sex (and they start in a very young age)- and when they're not given the full truth about the 'Gift' of their sexuality- how do you expect them to feel any connection to their unborn child? obviously, they abort it. That's why their population suffers.

    And yes liberal folks like Hilary Clinton continually delude themselves that the road to prosperity is small population. It's just the same as saying there's too many bad breeds like you. I mean cmon, human life is not a commodity. If we act on that principle all we have to look at is the moral degradation happening in the West.. I could go on and on, but the "root" of this problem is to respect marriage and its relationship to sexuality/procreation. Having a child means commitment- it's a sign of God's love. That's why marriage is a life long commitment, it's for the family, the child/children. Not all consummation ends up in having a child, and the 'healthy' approach to spacing children is NFP. But instead of a 'contraceptive mentality' the couple adapts 'a child is a gift from God'. Not a commodity, not a threat. And really- if people just get married for sex- what happens if the spouse gets bed ridden? Therefore, much preparation is needed before getting married.

    If we abuse all that- yes we end up like the West are now doing.

    This debate has been going on for decades. Really ironic.

    • dm1, kindly read the RH Bill.

      Now please point out to us where in the whole bill does it mention abortions as legal.

      [Having a child means commitment- it's a sign of God's love. That's why marriage is a life long commitment, it's for the family, the child/children. Not all consummation ends up in having a child, and the 'healthy' approach to spacing children is NFP.]

      1. Having a child is also a choice. And it doesn't take rocket science to realize that a child will be raised better if their parents are ready for them, and prepared their resources accordingly.

      Contrast that with forcing a woman to have a child, even if they have neither the financial nor emotional means needed to raise them. I'm talking about a situation that is all too common in our squatter's shanties, in Payatas, Smokey Mountain, and virtually all of our slums; it is the reality, unlike that bullshit anecdote you pulled out of your buttcrack.

      2. Natural Family Planning has alread been deemed to be a failure on more than one occassion, as evidenced by more than one study:
      http://nsrc.sfsu.edu/article/abstinence_only_fail

      So I ask you – why should we trust you if you recommend a method that's doomed to failure? Are you trying to kill us?

      3. To paraphrase Doctora Holmes (who's got far more credibility in this matter than you ever will), sex – whether or not for the sake of procreation – is a vital part of any healthy couple's relationship, in that it strengthens existing bonds of affection. How a couple defines what makes their relationship work is not for you to be judged.

      You are nobody's moral arbiter, and you are certainly not a doctor, psychologist, or any medical specialist if any proper standing to be dispensing your conservative, narrow-minded, and downright fucked up concepts of "Love" and "marriage."

      And I doubt anybody ever gets married just for the sex – there's also the matter of companionship and mutual trust, among other criteria. You resort to another poor strongman by trying to imply it's all about the orgasms.

  28. It's so funny. In America after 30+ years of having abortion ON DEMAND, more and more states are pushing the rights of the unborn child! The reasons both scientific and medical are endless.

    Do you know that every year people hold "walk for life" events in both the west and east coast? Do you know that the pro choice/pro abortion movement is actually feeling all eyes on them- as more and more scientific evidence that the baby feels pain during the surgical procedure? and that more and more women are coming out of their distress and talk about the pain of abortion? how they were actually left with no choice of support the reason why they go to abortion clinics? http://www.silencenomoreareness.org
    http://www.hli.org/ (for more scientifi as well as philosophical arguments against abortion -which actually stemmed from a contraceptive mentality – as the Catholic Church predicted when it release Humanae Vitae in the 60s)

    And ever wonder why kids as young as age 11, 12, 13 become pregnant? young fathers? yup, it's sex education. Sex education could get as long as 6 years and more in the US and other parts of the Western culture and as early as grade school! Do they educate children that sex if for procreation? to build a family? that having a child means commitment? That being in a monogamous marriage does not result to STDs? No- sex education is all about providing false security to people that they are protected when condoms and pills have failure rates. Plus the fact, that it will encourage people to be promiscuous because they falsely think they are protected. Just think of Africa, the STDs don't go down despite heavy contraceptive promotion. There are also many diseases that render the condom useless.. that's what they don't tell you.

    Folks, all you need is to make research. After 30 years of abortion/sex education- the facts are finally out there.

    • You are right. Only in the Western countries, you can see that. Not here in the Philippines. No…all Filipino teenagers are very innocent and polite, and they would never do or had done something like teen pregnancy.

      In my opinion, before we judge the other countries' social problems, we should take care first of our own country's problems.

      • There is a saying (actually it is fact) that whatever the gov't imposes as Legal connects to a certain moral value. For example, the law prohibits stealing because it stresses the immorality of stealing. The same goes with 'contraceptives'. It the gov't gives it a bright green light – it follows that contraception is a 'normal' thing.. actually 'moral'.. and you get what I call 'contraceptive mentality' by the masses. Even though the Church is there to oppose it- that endorsement by the gov't resounds that it is okay for a society to adapt this 'contraceptive mentality' and again- that divorces procreation, sexuality, marriage and family. And if those things no longer work together.. first there will be backdoor abortions, (like what first happened in the US), then they'll push it to be legalized. Again, the US was still a very Christian conservative country when they legalized abortion in the 70s

    • Human Life International

      Well that explains a lot actually, such as your wingnut tone of writing, the "Contraceptive Mentality" nonsense you've been puking, and your anti-family planning stance.

      For the rest of my fellow readers who'd like to know more, here are some recent stories on the crzy shit HLI has pulled off:
      http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/right/human-life-in

      Seriously, your group was founded by a self-proclaimed exorcist. Why should we take you seriously again, dm1?
      http://www.hli.org/index.php/component/content/ar

  29. If you really want to get serious with this topic- watch this video on how 41% of pregnancies in New York end in abortion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sski0eebAAo

    As you all know, they have very aggressive sex education in America, condoms are practically available in candy bowls. But this contraceptive mentality divorces procreation, marriage and family.

    Therefore, people being so used to having sex just for recreation and suddenly gets pregnant- they see the baby as a threat. And end up going to abortion clinics as a back up contraception. Hot topic yan sa States- papunta pa lang tayo sa malaking kamalian ng mga kano.

    • You underestimate the Filipino value system too much. I think it's a bit exaggerated to say that sex education and available condoms naturally equate to people having an abortion. Think of the social system in the Philippines, the pressure, the upbringing of families, the doctrines we follow, the conservative values, the education — so many factors that influence our choices! Americans are another story, don't even use them as a point of comparison – WE ARE NOT AMERICANS! They have a different value system and are far more reckless. They have divorce, their family units are built differently, they are more liberal, etc. etc. Please naman, THINK!

      • It is no big secret that the liberal party of the united states push for population control for countries like china and Mexico (the latter being 3rd world) they also do the same tactic in countries like trinidad and Tobago. It won't surpass me if their next target is to influence Filipino lawmakers. And yes, knowing our conservative values- they would start with contraception first. Please naman! Think ka ren!

      • There is a saying (actually it is fact) that whatever the gov't imposes as Legal connects to a certain moral value. For example, the law prohibits stealing because it stresses the immorality of stealing. The same goes with 'contraceptives'. It the gov't gives it a bright green light – it follows that contraception is a 'normal' thing.. actually 'moral'.. and you get what I call 'contraceptive mentality' by the masses. Even though the Church is there to oppose it- that endorsement by the gov't resounds that it is okay for a society to adapt this 'contraceptive mentality' and again- that divorces procreation, sexuality, marriage and family. And if those things no longer work together.. first there will be backdoor abortions, (like what first happened in the US), then they'll push it to be legalized.

        • And here readers, we have a classic case of the Slippery Slope logical fallacy, also known as the Parade of the Imaginary Horribles.

          Stay tuned as dm1 presents some of the other diversionary tactics the pro-Life will deploy in RH Bill debates, on account of their deficiency of facts to back up their side πŸ˜€

      • Oh and if you need reminding.. back in the 70s when they legalized abortion – the US was still more Christian than they are now. πŸ™‚

    • @dm1

      For all your hot air, posturing and demonization of the reproductive health movement, the opposite is true, and quite easy to track. Ever since the ready access of Americans to contraceptives and safe abortions, the US is experiencing a decline in maternal and infant deaths.
      http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2010/01/26/ind

      And while you may deny it to death, the same statistics indicate that abortions are also on a steady decline:
      http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2008/01/17/ind

      These are the real facts dm1, not the bullshit you try to pass off as the truth, repeatedly regurgitated by self-righteous Pro-Life loons like you. And if we look closer at these figures, one sees that while there was a slight rise in abortions in the 2006 time period, we also see that these figures coincide with the Bush administration's attempt to increase funding to abstinence-only education programs.
      http://www.guttmacher.org/media/inthenews/2007/04

      dm1, nothing pisses us off more than liars.

      You are a liar, and while you don't exactly merit the courtesy, I will politely ask you to FUCK OFF, at least you learn to stop sounding like an conspiracy-humping buffoon, and present credible data to back up your point.

        • [how sure are you that the facts you are bringing up is not biased on a hidden agenda? really. ]

          The same goes for you and your Human Life International group. The difference being that I cite sources that don't lie, and back up their reports with decades worth of accurate data.

          You seem to run on hot air.

      • didn't i give hli.org website? how about the youtube vid stating that 41% of pregnancies in NY end in abortion? sobra naman name calling mo. diba freethinkers to? why not consider the practicalities of my scenarios. as well as the website i gave and to google and watch out for the msm. πŸ™‚

        • [didn't i give hli.org website? ]

          Name me one accredited medical journal, gov't office, or medical association that would consider HLI a credible source.

          [how about the youtube vid stating that 41% of pregnancies in NY end in abortion?]

          Confirmation bias much? The fact is that on the largescale, abortions are on a gradual decline in the United States.

          And before you start mangling the facts on New York, let's look at the factors that caused this high rate:
          http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/nyregion/04abor

          [But city health officials and groups that support access to abortion say that behind the 41 percent statistic — nearly twice the national rate — are complex social and legal factors: fewer obstacles to abortion in state law; the absence of mandatory sex education in New York City public schools; the ignorance of people, especially young ones, about where to get affordable birth control; and the ambivalence of young women living in poverty and in unstable relationships about when and whether to have children.

          And although the percentage of pregnancies that end in abortion is basically unchanged, a particularly vulnerable group, teenagers, is having fewer babies and fewer abortions.

          The hand-wringing has led to a rare moment of synchronicity between the Catholic Church and pro-choice women’s groups, as both say they are disturbed that the rate is so high, but disagree over what to do about it. ]

          Lack of sex education.

          I rest my case. All you've proven with your figures is that we need a sex education program, as provided for in the bill.

          Resorting to a half-truth, outright lying, while mixing it all with hyperbolic rhetoric. I have to admit dm1, you do your handlers in HLI good with your antics.

          Now fuck off.

          • @dm1: Booya, bee-atch! Yo’ lies just got CONTEXTUALIZED!

            @Twin-Skies: I have know idea how you are able to do what you do, but it inspires awe… as in awesome! More power, mate!

  30. This is outrageous. Being pro-choice does not make anyone anti-life. It is having the freedom to decide on something that would forever change your life.

    They went linking Japan's recent tsunami disaster to the fact that they are pro-choice. Punishment? Seriously? You guys would go that far just to get people to join your side? This is like being back to the Spanish occupation days, when priests have a finger in everything.

    Birth control is something we need. If I were to choose between religion and giving our country a better chance on living a better life, I would always choose the latter.

    • Honestly, that's the first thing that turned me off.
      Priests dictating on how we should think.

      Aren't we supposed to be discussing this as thinking people. The Good side and The Bad side of RH bill- not resorting to name-callings of evils and punishments and helldooms-which really just make them just sound so ridiculous that undermines their point, which can stand on its own, by the way.

  31. In my opinion, contraceptives does not only prevents a child to be conceived, it also prevents the transfer of STDs from one person to another. If they really are pro-life, it means they should protect and support "existing" life rather than life that is "to be" created.

    Nakakainis lang na they call themselves as "pro-life" and they really don't support life at all. O.O

  32. I'm a student from a prominent Catholic University. We are all required to take Theology and "Sociology" classes in order to graduate. There was one time that we we're all told to go to our auditorium for our class in Sociology. In fear of being marked absent, some of us went there. When I came in, I realized that it was a talk, so I sat down, 'cause well, I like talks! And to my surprise, it was an anti-RH seminar! I forgot who the guest speaker was, but she could be the same as the doctor in the vid; she sounds the same; and all the things mentioned in the article we're the same as the talk. I really wanted to get out of that seminar as fast as I could, but sadly I was seated in front, I thought it was rude to just leave when every person in the room can see you do so, so I sat for the whole 2 hour talk. I heard a lot of bull and I missed a class.

  33. Okay, thanks Dr. Montes. I'm moving to Japan now, because if things go on this way with idiots like you, I really don't want to stay here!

  34. Never use morality as an argument because you will lose in the end. Use hard, verifiable facts to support your argument.

    • as much as possible, yeah, but this doesn't work forever. objectivity breaks down at some point. and when it does, we have no choice but to hope that everyone else agrees with our most fundamental subjective bases for moralitiy. XD

    • [Never use morality as an argument because you will lose in the end. Use hard, verifiable facts to support your argument. ]

      You can't ask Pro-Lifers to do that, mostly because the hard facts are pretty much against them. The poor sods would be defenseless.

      • Why are you so sensitive about morality? Don't you have one? I mean, come on. It's what we can hold on to now. A lot of calamities are killing our planet, and the best we could do is repent. Yet, you people are trying to sink this nation further down the whole by wanting to approve this Bill that would transform the citizens to beasts in one way or another. Think of the negative side of it too. It can always outweigh the positive ones

        • [A lot of calamities are killing our planet, and the best we could do is repent.]

          You fail to recall that Haiti was 80 percent when it was shattered by that earthquake a few years ago. Let me ask you this: Of all of the "immoral" countries God could have hit with his "righteous fury" why did he decide to pick on one whose population was mostly worshipping him and begging for repentance already?

          Why not pick on Iran and all its heathen Muslims, or North Korea, Somalia, or Rwanda? The choices are endless.

          [Yet, you people are trying to sink this nation further down the whole by wanting to approve this Bill that would transform the citizens to beasts in one way or another. ]

          How exactly does educating people make them beasts.

          If there is anything that reality teaches us, it is LACK of education that turns people into beasts. An extreme example of this being the case of Feral Children: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child

          And before I forget, you're a bloody moron. If you've got time to pray and act like a self-righteous twat, I suggest you try to read up more on the reality of RP. Until then, I shall render upon you the title "moron." Wear it with pride. You've earned it.

  35. i think she does not speak as a medical doctor but a devout catholic. she should have not use her MD title in speaking in this forum kasi it seemed she didn't focus on medical issues but rather the same arguments of morality. tsk tsk. para lang masabi na may doctor na anti-RH. hayyyy move on philippines, pass the RH Bill, Watch Harapan on ABS-CBN this sunday 10:30pm, dito magkakalaman kung sino ang may solid na arguments.
    http://rojan88.wordpress.com

    • Wah I posted a comment in the wrong article! *using ipod touch here*. Anyhoo, it is painful to read such misinformation coming from a doctor and a lawyer.

  36. She should be burned at the stake for total lack of empathy! How dare she! Would she be so callous about her own children I wonder? Or perhaps she should suffer her own brand of "divine" punishment and see how much she likes living through a triple calamity like in Japan!

  37. Haay, makes me wish that the Vatican itself was built on top of several major fault lines so the religious crazies can never use the "natural disaster as divine retribution" card ever again. It's just plain tasteless and reeks of hypocrisy.

    I wonder what Dr. Montes had to say when Christchurch was similarly rocked by a major earthquake a while back. For a doctor, she's showing a total lack of empathy and sympathy towards a great human tragedy of that scale. Does she also think all her patient's illnesses are divine retribution as well?

  38. [it would be possible for those who are pro-choice to actually subscribe to the idea of killing off these elderly should matters get too desperate, since being pro-choice apparently means being anti-life.]

    Uh, what? Just because I'm pro-Choice does not necessarily mean I'm anti-welfare.

    • well they think all the aid japan gives the philippines comes from god not from the japanese. False attribution galore.

  39. "There seems to be a connection between the recent natural disasters that have befallen the Japanese and their being purveyors of population control, as if the earthquakes and tsunamis were a form of divine punishment."

    Can send these quotes to the japanese community? Just to show how tactless and disgusting these fundies are. "the pain and suffering you have is well deserved. because you do not follow our God. Not because your geographic location." makes me sick to be in the same religion as them.

    Yeah and Japan is one of the richest (culturally and economically) country in ASIA. The Philippines is where? at the bottom. We are indeed loved.

    • [There seems to be a connection between the recent natural disasters that have befallen the Japanese and their being purveyors of population control, as if the earthquakes and tsunamis were a form of divine punishment.]

      Pat Robertson said almost the same thing about Haiti.

      The problems were…

      1. Haiti's population is 80 percent Catholic
      2. One of the most badly damaged structures in the quake was a Cathedral, whose bishop was crushed to death by the rubble.

      Clearly, their god doesn't like his own people either πŸ˜›

  40. "There seems to be a connection between the recent natural disasters that have befallen the Japanese and their being purveyors of population control, as if the earthquakes and tsunamis were a form of divine punishment."

    I would very much like to read what she actually said, as I'm averse to putting words in the mouths of people I quote.

    • Hi Miguel. That part has now been replaced with the verbatim quote. We'll also be uploading video footage of the event very soon. πŸ™‚

      • Thanks! I was really really hoping you were putting words in her mouth but it's sadly a spot on translation. Gaaaaah. πŸ™

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