Tastebuds, Tsunamis, and the Thorough Twisting of Truth: A Recap of the Anti-RH Forum at SM Megamall (1 of 3 Parts)

Dear Church (and all concerned),

Here are somethings I want to ask.

1) Why is getting an education on a catholic school very expensive? Since you VALUE life so much, Why not make education free of charge as Charity allow so that these children would grow up and become better Catholics than us pro-RH bill Catholics.

2) There are people and children starving on the streets that you allow to starve… can the numerous nuns praying in your beautiful secluded convents (pricey retreat house) reach out and feed them every day instead of once every blue moon?

3) Can you provide FREE Medical assistance to each and every striving Filipino in need? A Charitable Catholic hospital perhaps?

4) Why are there more and more children begging on the streets? where are those orphanages? there should me enough since we are an extinct race right?

my point is… if you cannot support the growing population… then please support minimizing it.

The speaker here is not even certain and doesn't know what is she really talking about as she discuss the population status of the philippines. And her reference is a decade older! Andali lng naman mag google, US census has the population pyramid of the philippines with the latest @ 2010

FFT starkingly oppose anything that has to do with Catholicism. The group labels themselves as "free" but the are so bitter and hostile towards something. You call this liberating??? Hurling "free" ideas can be self-destructing. Be real.You should try another name. Try "Filipino Freak Twisters"!

The Philippines is poor.

We all know this.

We don't have enough money to provide food for our growing population.
We don't have enough money to provide shelter for our growing population.
We don't have enough money to provide jobs for our growing population.
We don't have enough money to provide everyone with decent education, much more about SEX alone.

You say that if RH bill would be passed, Filipinos would lose it's morality and values about life and procreation? Well guys, can't you see that exactly what's happening now?

It's not as if you can stop the world from changing. THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. You have to accept that fact. Not for anyone, and not even for the Church or for Christianity.

You have cited many probable consequences that RH bill could bring, but what if we don't do anything now, do you really think that would stop these things from happening? Do you even honestly think that most of these things are not yet happening in our country? OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES PEOPLE!! DON'T FOOL YOURSELVES.

SO WHY CAN'T WE JUST GIVE RH BILL A CHANCE AND NOT LET THE CHURCH, YET AGAIN, MAKE THE DECISION FOR US. IF THEY CAN FEED US AND PROVIDE FOR OUR NEEDS THEN LET THEM BE, BUT THEY DON'T. SO PLEASE, LET'S ALL BE RATIONAL ABOUT THIS.

Its good to know that more and more people are finally getting the idea about how the RH bill can affect the lives of the Filipino. For the past 16 years of my existence, I was born and raised as a Christian. Being raised as that, I know for sure how this RH bill can demoralize the present and future generation of this country. Which wont be pretty I tell you, seeing that this country is still in the midst of financial insecurities. If they really want to help this country then they (the government) should stop wasting time about this RH bill and the possible cost of this said project and start helping the poor raise to their feet again. If people were to be taught about something, I think it should about how sacred marriage is and so does having sex.

We, the organizers of the program being referred to herein, never gave you permission to post the video of the said activity on your website, we ask that you take it down immediately.

Ricardo Boncan
Secretary
Defensores Fidei Foundation

I just want to ask, how do you actually define conception and fertilization? Do you think there has been conception already even if the egg cell hasn't met with the sperm cell yet? No right… fertilization only takes place also after the sperm and the egg cell meets… SO technically and scientifically speaking, there's no abortion related stuff with the RH Bill… And yes, I am pro RH bill, because I believe that it'll greatly help control our population. And I do believe that since people in the Philippines generally do not know how to control their urges, might as well protect yourselves. This RH bill won't generally go to the same outcome as what happened to Japan… Why are you People so pessimistic? If you think of the worst case scenario, then you can never see the good at anything! Think how greatly RH bill can help the Economy? Lesser people to consume our remaining scarce resources, better allocation for everyone, lesser people to starve and die because of poverty…. There are many other more positive outcomes, but this is what I'll share for now… Try to be optimistic… you're being inclusive, try to think exculsively…

I hate it when people blame God for disasters that occur. Is it really the will of God for millions of innocent lives to end? Is the Catholic God such a vengeful god that he would allow such number of deaths? I think not. God shouldn't be included in these kinds of human issues.

On the issue of population control, yes, the Phil gov't should do something about the burgeoning population.

Bakit ang simbahang Katoliko ba magpapakain sa mga nagugutom na tao? Just look at the number of people sa slum areas who are uneducated and do not know anything about birth control. A pedicab driver with 8 kids! Imagine that. Mga pari ba magpapakain sa mga anak nila? Magpapaaral? Magpapahospitalize?

How many more fetuses do they need on their doorstep? And to say that overblown ang abortion report? Abortion is abortion whether in small number or not. What's the cause of abortion in the first place? If the religious sects can do something about those in the first place then dapat noon pa nagawa na nila. It doesn't promote promiscuity coz that has been already in existence long before somebody thought of that bill. Hellooooo…… Condoms and pills are available in drugstores and grocery stores for as long as I can remember.

I'm using a mobile device and I apologize again for the many typos..
One of which is the website about women who speak out about how abortion destroyed them, and took their sense of dignity & found themselves back up again through healing, and acknowledging their child died. It's http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/ I've seen very moving testimonies on tv. Some of which have multiple abortions. Even the fathers of aborted babies speak out. Every January the day US legalized abortion these people gather, with the pro life politicians the organizers. It's an amazing event to behold. Ewtn on cable constantly covers them. Ewtn is free to view on their website too. I'm not a goon- I'm not even a member of any pro life group. As you can see, I don't have all my sources in one place. Lolz. But the abortion/population control ideology is worldwide. And the discussions are very dynamic and interesting.

This is probably the most important post I'm gonna make so please; consider it:

Instead of using the time and tax money of ppl in contraception and sex education – why not educate the ppl about "sexual ethics". Put back the sexuality back to its proper context which is marriage and life long commitment. Let them see and appreciate the beauty of marriage. Ever wonder why std's are caught in promiscuous sex and virtually no STD are developed in a monogamous marriage? Ever think if that's exactly how God intended it to be? That abusing sexuality leads to more problems. Also, do you know that the number of STD's went on the rise after the sexual revolution? Summer of love? Hippie america? Again, why not educate the ppl about NFP. Pope John Paul II's "theology of the body" applied to NFP is more healthy, emotionally and spiritually. Plus the fact that the methods are  getting more accurate with spacing children. But instead of a mentality that sex is not to have children (contraception) the couple is open to life- because the methods are in place for the couple to realize that their bodies are not "objects" for the spouses to use; the couples talk about the fertility of the woman, they learn to work their schedules, the husband do a little bit more effort in getting his wife's temperature etc. The couple also learns to spend intimate time together without having sex, reading a book together etc. That's when the couple learn to appreciate each other, respect each other more- because they're not available to be "Used" for mere pleasure. It's a holistic, healthy approach in marriage and sexuality. Again, these are testimonies from the couples practicing them. Google "theology of the body", humanae vitae and nfp. That's a much better use of the people's tax money. 

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009…

Another quote from the Above article *"IPPF also lists advocacy objectives that include pressuring governments "to recognize the right of all young people to make decisions about their own sexual and reproductive health" and to "build momentum for universal access to sexual and reproductive health services around the world."*

"Build momentum.." that means influence- talking points- promotional to this "universal access" to reproductive health services. Meaning contraception and yes abortion. If we as a country are overwhelmingly against it- it doesn't matter UN and IPPF can "build momentum" for Filipino lawmakers to make this vision a reality. And having that RH bill
In place is like putting your foot to the door 🙂

Another source proving that this is a global conspiracy.. Again – you don't hear this in msm but it happens and check it out the united nations is behind it:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009…

NEW YORK, NY, May 7, 2009 (C-FAM) – The International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) recently launched a new petition campaign that aims to pressure governments to "promote, protect and fulfill their promise to provide better access to sexual and reproductive health services" for all young people "regardless of age." The petition was launched in commemoration of the fifteenth anniversary of the International Conference on Population and Development (ICPD).

It bears repeating: "promote, protect and fulfill their promise to provide better access to sexual and reproductive health services" for all young people "regardless of age." sexual rights again came from a contraceptive mentality by the culture

If youre not impressed by how cbcp local pro life group is handling the RH bill discussion. Use an alternative which is the US pro life group. Notice how they are now starting to insinuate how the problem they have about abortion came from massive use of contraception. They provide very smart and articulate talking points- because they have the doctors, the women, the statistics, demographics hard facts for this issue. Know that before the pro life group is very small and taboo in the beginning- but like I said as more scientific and medical prove the harm on many levels abortion is that's when they start to gain steam. Get off the band wagon that is in the verge of self-imploding. Having said that I also recommend http://www.ewtn.com prolife section.

Again- I keep citing examples from the abortion scene in the US because they are exhibit A of the population control thing (& much of the west); only that they're unique because they're the only developed nation with a very palpable prolife presence as well as traditional, conservative values. I'm talking about the middle class not the Hollywood types and those who're from ultra lib states like ca and ny. They started in the 60s with the contraception legality court ruling I offered the wiki link above; then abortion in the 70s then comprehensive sex education that gets more aggressive by the decade. I also cited examples of moral degradation like the website for hook ups and casual sex, that 41% of pregnancies end in abortion in nY official website http://nyc41percent.com/does-it-matter ; google the keywords I gave "walk for life" "silentnomoreawareness.org" "priestsforlife.org" if you want the truth about contraception and it's link to abortion. Lastly, google "humanae vitae" it's a document released by the church in the 1960s(!) getting more attention today claiming that contraception will lead to more abortions, contrary to what most people think. After 40 years I think there is 50 million abortions in the US alone.

And when you have school administrators thinking you may have sex as young as 11 (in these HPV vaccinations), those kids would think it's something very normal for them to do. Again the RH bill only focuses on sexuality divorced from family and life long commitment in marriage. This did not happen overnight in the West nor will in the Philippines. But it's taking the same tragic course.

Here is the court ruling that basically gives contraception as much legal backing as it wants. And like I said, all these atrocities didn't happen over night it's a gradual decline due to society operating on problematic moral principles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecti…

Grisworld v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965),[1] was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Constitution protected a right to privacy. The case involved a Connecticut law that prohibited the use of contraceptives. By a vote of 7–2, the Supreme Court invalidated the law on the grounds that it violated the "right to marital privacy".
http://www.hli.org/index.php/hli-research – please click on demographic impact for statistics, etc.
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/02/nat-4777/
That’s when (Obama) will officially scrap the Mexico City Policy that stops funding groups that promote or perform abortions overseas. Sorry about earlier, as you know I'm typing with a mobile device- and it's hard to type my messages as accurate as possible. The Mexico policy is to ban abortion (and population control methods) abroad. The US is a major player on this- depending on whose in office. 
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008…  this is another upfront of sex education advocates for schools to conduct HPV vaccinations to grade schoolers. A good number of parents are uneasy about this because it assumes children will have sex as young as 11 yrs old so we'd better be prepared. When in fact these vaccinations only work for a small percentage of HPVs. The link provides more info to more of its controversies.

I'll get back about the other international summits pushing abortion as a "human right", UN has it's full backing. I think it was in the early 90s in Egypt. It wasnt successful because the Catholic church and other Muslim countries were against. But these summits, events happen on a regular basis! It is a global conspiracy, people. I'll update this from time to time but this would suffice for now.

And to the person who called me a goon, you're the one full of hate and calling me names and cussing. Ha! You just sound like one! 🙂

PS. If you have cable, tune in on ewtn; they have a regular segment there called defending life. When we say abortion you can bet that's code for population control and its various methods like contraception. There are also many features, sociologists and what not about the population control scene worldwide.

Also OP, why did you put that quotation about the brass knuckles there? Don't you think that invites animosity to people who tries to provide a different view? Akala tuloy nila kagad goon ako lolz. Also, to be honest, I've been following this abortion debate for over a decade now. Not in my wildest dreams did I imagine they're coming for us too. I've seen on tv (ewtn provides many pro life programs) discussing statistics, graphs, the "demographic winter" happening now in the west, etc. And sites like those I've mentioned eg. http://www.lifesitenews.com ..the problem here is most of the RH bill supporters are in loop or rut of misinformation. They do "sell" the ideology of population control with flowery words- but they don't give you the dark side of it. Hopefully, I can find all the links I want, but in the meantime- read the arguments and talking points on http://www.lifesitenews.com

all of you are hypocrites.. CONDOMS FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

where are the moral values of those who supports the RH bill? I agree with SOME points like we are overpopulated. etc. but is this what we've become? supporting this so we can justify our immorality?

Ps. Embryonic stem cell research is connected to the pro choice/abortion agenda. That's why you never hear about the adult stem cell break through it's ethical counterpart. Because the left is very obsessed with manipulating human life.. Dispose it, experiment on it, etc. Do you know that they also push for euthanasia? And yes another reason why the left/msm hate Thr Catholic church is it opposes mercy killing. Expand your horizons again. The real info is on the web.

And if you really don't want to believe me that liberal media bias is prevalent in the states- (of course this affects the kind of information that reaches everybody , including this issue) know that in the last election the house (congress) is overwhelmed by conservatives they campaigned not by msm coverage but grass roots effort (twitter, fb, blogs) ..all the msm could say about the teaparty is that their nazis and extremists; msm bias is prevalent. So please check out sites like http://www.lifesitenews.com/ and http://www.priestsforlife.org ..PS. I meant to say the church approves adult stem cell but not embryonic- btw, another topic- you'd be surprised how many cures adult stem cell operations had made- while escr is zilch. But they keep drumming the latter for public approval.. Why? Because if you could manipulate the human embryo you render the unborn child disposable.

This is in response to the poster who said something about a conspiracy. I suppose you mean the msm bias thing? And when do you ever catch CNN and co.show a positive feature about NFP, which helps a lot of couples? Never. But they do love showing gay couples adopting their child thru IVF. You never hear this phenomena about Anglicans crossing the Tiber (joining the catholic church) but you will hear lots of priests abusing their authority. I know the latter is a tragedy and a real problem, & for the most part, it is to discredit thr church or discourage its flock. But in the states- liberal media bias is no secret. They can defame the catholic church all they want because of a variety of reasons. They hate what it fights for : sanctity of marriage between man and woman. Sanctity of human life, embryonic stem cell research etc etc. The Church has credible, comprehesive arguments that is so much against liberal views. Again- checkout the catholic league website, they are a watch dog on the msm who oversteps in their anti-Catholicism. And you'd be surprised how it happens regularly!

Also check out the Mexico policy that Obama signed again- it's a policy providing population control in Mexico. Bush stopped it while obambie resumed it- as well as the stem cell embryonic research.

these women should be struck off their respective professions. titles sound so airy fairy when the name of the game is deception. they were probably banking on their titles to give their agenda an air of validity.

the tsunami was an effect of japan's population control advocacy? tomfoolery. the people who did not see through this BS ought to be sterilized.

And here's another moral degradation I mean, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/universi…

Chicago university launches casual sex website. That's contraceptive, sex education graduates in full bloom.. Oh it tool only abouta few years. But you get the idea 🙂

[don't be naive! it is no big secret that the american gov't donates money for china to abort children, and in mexico! of course- the philippines being 3rd world is also their target ]

Back away from the Kool-Aid, nice and slow…

Also, all that info I get you cannot hear from the mainstream media. Actually, there's a phenomenon called mainstream media bias.. You won't hear that kind of honest coverage in news outlets like CNN, msnbc, CBS, and of course if that's the trend I won't be surprised if channel 2 & channel 7 would follow their lead. The above foreign brands detest conservative, traditional values- especially whatever moral principle the catholic church espouses/supports.

And I would like to add.. what other outcomes does contraceptive mentality cause? Broken families, single parents.. For example. Teenagers with 6 years+ of sex education goes to a party (which they often do) get drunk- again this is just a common example- and they contracept because it's what is being taught to them all their years in school… and the condom/pill fails… what normally happens, is the girl is left with the responsibility of the child.. it is not uncommon for the man to take off.. in short, contraceptive mentality results to even more problems like single parenthood, and broken families. And what seems to be a dirty little secret to many of the liberal media is that most folks in jail/correctional facilities come from broken homes, single parents, etc. Again, it begets more evil. simple as that.

Also, do you know that the biggest abortion provider in America Planned Parenthood was to be DEFUNDED by the US House in Congress? and that over 50% identify themselves as PRO LIFE? this is because people are getting more educated about the RUSE called pro-choice/abortion and soon enough you bet- it's gonna be contraceptives.. may take more than 30 years, seeing how overly sexualized the culture is. But it will get there.

And it's true – Hilary Clinton is a strong advocate of abortion rights- and of course contraception. And if you really are in depth in the global debate on abortion (whose elder sister is contraception) google it. http://www.hli.org/ is one website. And why the West's population continually decline to almost irreplaceable think ITALY. The only reason why their economy is sustainable is because of heavy immigration. And yes- it's no secret about the Wests attitude toward sex (and they start in a very young age)- and when they're not given the full truth about the 'Gift' of their sexuality- how do you expect them to feel any connection to their unborn child? obviously, they abort it. That's why their population suffers.

And yes liberal folks like Hilary Clinton continually delude themselves that the road to prosperity is small population. It's just the same as saying there's too many bad breeds like you. I mean cmon, human life is not a commodity. If we act on that principle all we have to look at is the moral degradation happening in the West.. I could go on and on, but the "root" of this problem is to respect marriage and its relationship to sexuality/procreation. Having a child means commitment- it's a sign of God's love. That's why marriage is a life long commitment, it's for the family, the child/children. Not all consummation ends up in having a child, and the 'healthy' approach to spacing children is NFP. But instead of a 'contraceptive mentality' the couple adapts 'a child is a gift from God'. Not a commodity, not a threat. And really- if people just get married for sex- what happens if the spouse gets bed ridden? Therefore, much preparation is needed before getting married.

If we abuse all that- yes we end up like the West are now doing.

This debate has been going on for decades. Really ironic.

It's so funny. In America after 30+ years of having abortion ON DEMAND, more and more states are pushing the rights of the unborn child! The reasons both scientific and medical are endless.

Do you know that every year people hold "walk for life" events in both the west and east coast? Do you know that the pro choice/pro abortion movement is actually feeling all eyes on them- as more and more scientific evidence that the baby feels pain during the surgical procedure? and that more and more women are coming out of their distress and talk about the pain of abortion? how they were actually left with no choice of support the reason why they go to abortion clinics? http://www.silencenomoreareness.org
http://www.hli.org/ (for more scientifi as well as philosophical arguments against abortion -which actually stemmed from a contraceptive mentality – as the Catholic Church predicted when it release Humanae Vitae in the 60s)

And ever wonder why kids as young as age 11, 12, 13 become pregnant? young fathers? yup, it's sex education. Sex education could get as long as 6 years and more in the US and other parts of the Western culture and as early as grade school! Do they educate children that sex if for procreation? to build a family? that having a child means commitment? That being in a monogamous marriage does not result to STDs? No- sex education is all about providing false security to people that they are protected when condoms and pills have failure rates. Plus the fact, that it will encourage people to be promiscuous because they falsely think they are protected. Just think of Africa, the STDs don't go down despite heavy contraceptive promotion. There are also many diseases that render the condom useless.. that's what they don't tell you.

Folks, all you need is to make research. After 30 years of abortion/sex education- the facts are finally out there.

If you really want to get serious with this topic- watch this video on how 41% of pregnancies in New York end in abortion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sski0eebAAo

As you all know, they have very aggressive sex education in America, condoms are practically available in candy bowls. But this contraceptive mentality divorces procreation, marriage and family.

Therefore, people being so used to having sex just for recreation and suddenly gets pregnant- they see the baby as a threat. And end up going to abortion clinics as a back up contraception. Hot topic yan sa States- papunta pa lang tayo sa malaking kamalian ng mga kano.

This is outrageous. Being pro-choice does not make anyone anti-life. It is having the freedom to decide on something that would forever change your life.

They went linking Japan's recent tsunami disaster to the fact that they are pro-choice. Punishment? Seriously? You guys would go that far just to get people to join your side? This is like being back to the Spanish occupation days, when priests have a finger in everything.

Birth control is something we need. If I were to choose between religion and giving our country a better chance on living a better life, I would always choose the latter.

"moral for you, but not for everyone." Please remember that.

In my opinion, contraceptives does not only prevents a child to be conceived, it also prevents the transfer of STDs from one person to another. If they really are pro-life, it means they should protect and support "existing" life rather than life that is "to be" created.

Nakakainis lang na they call themselves as "pro-life" and they really don't support life at all. O.O

I'm a student from a prominent Catholic University. We are all required to take Theology and "Sociology" classes in order to graduate. There was one time that we we're all told to go to our auditorium for our class in Sociology. In fear of being marked absent, some of us went there. When I came in, I realized that it was a talk, so I sat down, 'cause well, I like talks! And to my surprise, it was an anti-RH seminar! I forgot who the guest speaker was, but she could be the same as the doctor in the vid; she sounds the same; and all the things mentioned in the article we're the same as the talk. I really wanted to get out of that seminar as fast as I could, but sadly I was seated in front, I thought it was rude to just leave when every person in the room can see you do so, so I sat for the whole 2 hour talk. I heard a lot of bull and I missed a class.

Okay, thanks Dr. Montes. I'm moving to Japan now, because if things go on this way with idiots like you, I really don't want to stay here!

Never use morality as an argument because you will lose in the end. Use hard, verifiable facts to support your argument.

Well I can connect all the disasters from the beginning of time to her god…all part of His will…

i think she does not speak as a medical doctor but a devout catholic. she should have not use her MD title in speaking in this forum kasi it seemed she didn't focus on medical issues but rather the same arguments of morality. tsk tsk. para lang masabi na may doctor na anti-RH. hayyyy move on philippines, pass the RH Bill, Watch Harapan on ABS-CBN this sunday 10:30pm, dito magkakalaman kung sino ang may solid na arguments.
http://rojan88.wordpress.com

Praise The Lord! This is so fucking funny 🙂

She should be burned at the stake for total lack of empathy! How dare she! Would she be so callous about her own children I wonder? Or perhaps she should suffer her own brand of "divine" punishment and see how much she likes living through a triple calamity like in Japan!

Haay, makes me wish that the Vatican itself was built on top of several major fault lines so the religious crazies can never use the "natural disaster as divine retribution" card ever again. It's just plain tasteless and reeks of hypocrisy.

I wonder what Dr. Montes had to say when Christchurch was similarly rocked by a major earthquake a while back. For a doctor, she's showing a total lack of empathy and sympathy towards a great human tragedy of that scale. Does she also think all her patient's illnesses are divine retribution as well?

[it would be possible for those who are pro-choice to actually subscribe to the idea of killing off these elderly should matters get too desperate, since being pro-choice apparently means being anti-life.]

Uh, what? Just because I'm pro-Choice does not necessarily mean I'm anti-welfare.

"There seems to be a connection between the recent natural disasters that have befallen the Japanese and their being purveyors of population control, as if the earthquakes and tsunamis were a form of divine punishment."

Can send these quotes to the japanese community? Just to show how tactless and disgusting these fundies are. "the pain and suffering you have is well deserved. because you do not follow our God. Not because your geographic location." makes me sick to be in the same religion as them.

Yeah and Japan is one of the richest (culturally and economically) country in ASIA. The Philippines is where? at the bottom. We are indeed loved.

"There seems to be a connection between the recent natural disasters that have befallen the Japanese and their being purveyors of population control, as if the earthquakes and tsunamis were a form of divine punishment."

I would very much like to read what she actually said, as I'm averse to putting words in the mouths of people I quote.