Looking at Mr. Daniel Razon’s reasoning we can clearly see the problem: People like him have defined goodness as equal to God. There are two versions of this “argument” – One, Goodness and God are almost the same entity (based of some quotes from the Judeo-Christian holy scripture) and Two, As long as there is goodness and a person believes that goodness exists, there is a moral Lawgiver which is God.
According to the article I have read regarding Mr. Razon’s so-called refutation on the issue of being good without God, he used several Bible passages such as Mark 10:17-18 and Psalms 100:5. VIOLA! Case closed…or is it?
I don’t know…Is Mr. Razon pulling us by the leg? Anyway, based on his..er…refutation..Uh what makes God good? Is it his love, his mercy or his sense of justice?
And what is meant by “good”?
Goodness is an action that purposely benefits the human organism or society. That’s how I define it. The problem here is that people like Daniel Razon simply equate goodness to God, based on their holy scripture. Christian apologists like Giesler and Ravi Zacarias for example use this to connect God to the concept of a moral Lawgiver – So God must be good all the time. But is the goodness of God based on the Bible just a perception of the writer on how goodness should be defined? It seems like it. God is good because the author of a particular chapter in the Bible wants God to be good…based on his own definition of goodness. For example, God is good because He supposedly loves the people of Israel. That’s not a universal definition of “good”. Is it?
According to the authors of Mark and Psalms only God is good. But do these writers include…well those other books in the Bible that Daniel Razon didn’t include in his argument? Verses like: Numbers 31: 17-18, 1 Samuel 15:3 and Ezekiel 9: 4-7.
Tell me, are slaying infants, the elderly and women amount to goodness?
How about verses like Numbers 11: 1-2; 16:27-32, Lev. 10:1-2 and 2Kings 2: 23-24? Do they tell us of an onmi-benevolent deity that is full of mercy? Giving punishments that are shockingly harsh in comparison to the acts committed is not about mercy and justice.
Why do we need to kill innocent lambs, bulls and doves to appease a so-called good God? Surely an omni-benevolent deity does not need blood and death to calm his nerves.
There more of these found in the pages of the Old Testament which lead Thomas Paine to write, “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistant that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.” [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
How about the New Testament?
Sure the New Testament contains some good moral value…but again the whole plot of the book is about blood sacrifices. Again, why is blood and death necessary to mollify the wrath of an omni-benevolent God?
Also, there are some stories and parables that were told by Jesus that betray the concept of an omni-benevolent Father in heaven like that of Luke 19:27 and Matt. 15:22-28.
It is also interesting to note that Jesus believed that love could be commanded and that those who disagreed with him would be damned. He believed in compulsion to comply with his viewpoint. He also portrayed his Father in heaven as the instigator of a morality based on “promises and threats” – too far from Daniel Razon’s “Good God”.
In the light of the following issues, it seems that Daniel Razon and others like him have failed to prove that goodness is impossible without God. In fact it seems that goodness is independent from God.
Besides, since God’s goodness is prescribed by rewards…well it really doesn’t tell us exactly what is “good”. Goodness is good because it is good – not because of benefits or by force. People who do well solely for personal gain or to avoid personal harm are not about being “good” – it is self-interest.
There are other sources of being good…contrary to popular Christian belief. For example, there is what we call our “common moral decencies” which are deeply rooted in us for our survival as a species as Joseph Fletcher wrote based on his studies in 1979:
1.) Our highest good is survival of the human race – Our posterity has a moral claim on us for the consideration, both as to its safety and as to its biological improvement.
2.) Look at how the consequences will, on balance, effect the total human well being.
A rational person needs no God belief to understand that murder or lying is bad. It’s not because God opposes them, but because of the consequences these acts will produce in the human community. Morality as I have already said is deeply rooted in human experience for our survival.
ikaw try mo po kaya kumain ng saging at bumalik sa jungle..po?
@mara Tama “it survived tests” kasi may tangible physical evidence na pwdeng itest, yung guess na inahahalintulad mo sa walang katuturang opinyon ay iba po sa guess or conjecture pagkatapos ng tests at experiments sa mga actual specimen, tulad ng math maraming pong theory jan ang ginagamit at pinakikinabangan ng kasalukuyang teknolohiya. In short hindi po hulang hangin ang guess at conjecture pagdating sa theory, educated guess po.
@tungkol naman sa bible eh, dapat alam mo din na the exact “committee” na gumawa ng compiled manuscript na ngayon ay tinatawag na bible ay the exact same “committee” na nagdisregard sa iba pang manuscript dahil sa simpleng rason na hindi nila gusto ang pagkakalarawan kay jesus. So pakiexplain po nasan ang divine intervention kung yung ibang nakaexperience ng bulong mula sa diyos nyo eh hindi pinahalagahan ng politically motivated na mga gumawa ng bible?
SA TANGIBLE KA BABASE?dun lang?
ang history,,nag babase din sa mga testimonies ng mga tao..may mga bagay sa mundo di lahat tangible..events happened in the past evident sa history,culture..
kung ung oras mo
ilalaan mo dun sa pag hahanap ng evidence na totoo at reliable ang bible mabuti..
biased ka kasi..selfish
inatupag niu kasi…manggulo
sana gumawa kayo ng charity works if talagng makatao kayo
in the end God-fearing people pa rin ang concerned sa Kapwa TAO
I CHALLENGE YOU..KUNG KAYO TAMA
BAKIT BIBLE PA RIN ANG BEST SELLING BOOK ?
BAKIT DI NAMN KARAMIHAN NA CONVINCED NYO?
MAY MGA NATULUNGAN NA BA KAYO?
HAVE A PEACEFUL MIND,,HAVE GOOD JUDGEMENT…BE FAIR..BE TACTFUL..
HAVE A HEART.. BE HUMAN!!
Kampi na ako sa iyo, Mara! Kaya natin sila!
Tama ka diyan! Kapag nag-total tayo nang lahat nang Bible na nagawa, nabigay at nabenta sa history nang mundo, walang makakatalo diyan! Si Jose Rizal nga may Bible e! Meron ba siyang Twilight? O Harry Potter? Wala! Best-selling book of all time talaga iyang Bible, kaya dapat, tama iyan!
@mara, pakisagot po ng mahusay yung mga tanong ko at mga tanong nila ni isang malinaw na argumento kasi wala ka pa pong naibibigay. Bago mo po ako utusang maging tactful, please stop telling me that i’m “selfish”. Maliwanag lang po sa mga sagot mo na di mo po ako nirerespeto.
Mali po yung notion mo na dahil best seller ang bible eh tama na. Dahil marami pong best seller ang fiction. Ang ibig lang sabihin ng best seller ay maraming nagbabasa hindi po ibig sabihin na kung marami ang nagbabasa eh tama na ang nilalaman nito.
May heart po ako, pero utak po pinapagana ko sa thread na ito. Dahil pangpump lng ng dugo ang puso. Compassion, charity, ang morality ay nasa utak wala sa dibdib, scientific po yan.
Bago ka po ulet magtan0ng, sumagot po muna kayo. Kahit isang bible passage wala pa eh.
They alleged that the creation of Adam is an ‘anti-scientific nonsense’, and God did not create Adam from a handful of dust, like the Bible says. To my readers, see how these blatant liars are ‘wrestling’ the words of the Bible. Their allegation and their pre-conceived idea are not written in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible can you find a verse that Adam was created by God from a handful of dust. What is written is recorded in Genesis 2:7, which says:
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
While it is true that God created man from the dust of the ground, the phrase “handful of dust” is absent in the verse! It is conceived it the minds of these perverts. Be that as it may, the information in the Bible is scientific! Granting, without accepting, that there is such a thing as a ‘handful of dust’, whose hands will be the measuring hands for the dust that God will use in the formation of Adam? People who cremate the dead have an idea of how much dust will be left of the human body after cremation. I am sure it is not a sack of dust; but very close to a handful — depending on the hands that holds them. And why is it scientific? God made man from the dust; and when his body dies it decomposes and turns again to dust.
(Genesis 3:19) “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”
http://esoriano.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/human…
What are the scientific proof that man’s body came from the dust of the ground, as the Bible says? The human body is made up of materials and minerals found on the surface of the ground, and not from the core of the earth. Oxygen, being the most abundant element on the earth’s crust or on the ground, makes up 65 percent of the human body, and carbon, also abundant on the top soil of the ground, is 18 percent, and hydrogen is 10 percent. The 59 elements found in the human body are all found on the earths crust. This is amazing because what the Bible says perfectly match the scientific composition of a human body.
http://esoriano.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/miner…
The ignorance of these ‘imaginary people’ in what the Bible says betrays their alleged intelligence and knowledge in science. Of course, the human body is not made up only of dust, but God mixed the dust to water to produce clay.
(Job 10:9) “Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again?”
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kung tinamaan ka…guilty ka po..
ayan may verses at expalanations na..
that would be enough..
pag sinabi bang puso literal un??
pag sinabi bang eat your heart out ???ung tumitibok???ung tinutukoy dun??
ang nirerespeto po ung karesperespeto…nakikita nmn sa blog niu at posts..rumespeto ba sa way ng pananalita??
kung din man po ikaw un…sabhin natin karamihan dito sa site na to…
nagpakita ba ng respeto??pointing to someone criminal cases which is not true..
ung magsasaka at walang pinag aralan na mahirap..di pala pwede sa inyo kasi kutya na agad kayo sa spelling at grammar..
sana kumbinsihin niu muna ang mga tao..
you are fighting for the goodness within human..you should prove it by initiating some deeds..pero wala po..
salita,,salita..
(Romans 9:20-21) “Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?”
The mixture is clay, understandably contains more water than dust. Who says that the information in the Bible is scientifically nonsense? They are the one’s that are nonsensical, and not the Bible!
The exact proportion of the minerals and materials, if maintained, make up a healthy human body (http://www.emory.edu/EMORY_REPORT/erarchive/1998/September/erseptember.21/9_21_98Size.html). Excesses in these materials will cause disorders and diseases. Excess of aluminum, for example, and iron, will be toxic for the human body. The proportions of the abundance of the 59 elements on the earths crust, is amazingly represented in its presence in the human body. Who says that the Bible is not scientific? These ‘imaginary and anti-scientific people’!
Reference: http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/from-dus…
Mara, try eating clay for a full month if you're so insistent that the Bible is scientifically accurate. If you're still coherent despite the ensuing malnutrition, mineral poisoning, and accompanying dementia, then we'll talk 😉
@Mara: first of all You’re the one who started being disrespectful.
Ikaw ang nag comment sa site na Ito. Just look at the history ng lahat
Ng sinabi mo. So don’t expect people to respect you when everything
You have said is just about hatred and ignorance.
As for you’re reply with the verses from Eli Soriano’s site sorry but
There’s really nothing scientific about everything he has said.
If thats the best he’s got then that’s just sad and embarrassing.
Like you a lot of non believers were religious at some Point.
The difference is that we asked questions and we didn’t just believe everything that the pastor or the priest tells us.
Just try to open you’re mind to other things. Read a history book
You will see that religion has actually done more harm than good
Check out some works by Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins
They will offer a much much more elegant explanation of how life
Began. Don’t get me wrong I’m not forcing you to be an atheist. I
it’s something you decide for yourself.
at ano po maniwala sa spaghetti monsters??kung yan babasahin ko mas mabuti pa recipe book jan..pasasamabahin mo ang tao sa spaghetti ganun ba?sasabhin mo nag mula nanaman ang tao sa macaroni at sauce. ipapabasa mo sa madlang tao ang books na yan kung books man tawag jan kalokohan…
sana di na po kayo nag lagay ng comment box kung bawal pala mag comment dito..
disrespect pala ang description mo pag kitang kita na ang mga delusion mo po henry boy..
Sayang hindi mo pala nabasa ng maayos yung libro.
Kung meron man kalokohan yung bible yun.
Puwede ka naman mag comment ng hindi nakakainsulto eh.
kaya wala rin respeto sayo yung mga tao Dito. Pero nakakatawa yung mga comments mo. Im sure matutuwa si God pag nabasa niya itong mga comments mo
kaya lang busy siya ngayon nagbibigay ng aids sa mga inosenteng bata sa Africa so next Time na lang…
Nakakatawa naman, si Daniel Razon kumuha ng argumento to prove good=God sa bible. Pag tinanong mo siya kung bakit siya naniniwala sa bible, ang isasagot niya, sulat kasi ng dios yun. Pag tinanong mo naman siya kung ano ebidensya ng Dios, isasagot niya naman, BIBLE… LOL
CIRCULAR REASONING.
"so scattered as you brain "
Says the woman who abuses ellipses.
classic sign of "speaking in tongues" yan!
ikaw?speaking nonsense..haha bleh
Wrong. Speaking on tongues would sound closer to the Tazmanian Devil 😉
sariling paliwanag mo yan..simply shows..weak understanding…tactless mouth..
“even” -typo 🙂
What I was really trying to point is… If god is all-knowing, why is he making these tests of faith on people he supposedly knows inside out?
Look who's talking. I know fourth graders who spell better than you.
ha???helo fourth grader brain!!!mas magaling ka pala sa spelling eh..
My analogy. I love Nintendo, in fact I almost worship them.
But I doubt that burning my Nintendo DS as an offering would make the almighty Shigeru Miyamoto happy.
He'd probably cry.
An All-knowing being shouldn’t euen make tests of faith or loyalty because, uhm, he already knows everything.
Perfect simile Renuven, exactly like a rock! Physics is all over it yet denies every bit of evidence.
Hahaha! This is so funny! Ano, mga Freethinkers? Hindi niyo matinag si Mara ano? It's like explaining physics to a piece of rock. Go, Mara! Blow them away with your bobo-ness!
salamat po…kung hindi matinag ang sinasabi nyong bobo..anu kaya ung term sa mas mababa sa bobo?kasi nakakatinag sa bobo matalino eh..peace
Sorry po kung hindi ako sangayon sa “i’m just being true…” mo, hard physical evidence po ang isinasawalang bahala mo kung you don’t agree with the theory.
Paano po naging “more scientific” ang bible? Paki elaborate naman. Kasi hanggang ngaun ni isang klaro at matibay na argumento na mali ang mga freethinkers ay wala ka pa pong nailalabas.
Nabasa ko po lahat, ang lugar ko po ay maliwanag na hindi sa panig nyo.”lolo”, “bleh”? “eeewww”? Di naman ganyan makipagdebate lider nyo db?
Theory of Evolution po. Hindi “watsoever”, sa terminong ginamit mo halata lang po na yung teoriyang dinidismiss mo eh di mo dn alam ang basehan.
Kung meron mang may karapatan makipagdebate mula sa panig nyo sana yung may kredibilidad ang hindi gullible sa mga sinasabi ng lider nila. Yun sanang bago sya magdefend kuno ng paniniwala eh may ipinapakitang argumento para maipagtanggol ang panig nya(na hindi mo pa po nagagawa) at yung hindi parang bata makapag react. So far po kase ang nakikita lng namin(base narin sa mga post mo) tungkol sa grupo nyo ay maliwanag na immaturity at bigotry.
ung theory po gaya ng naipaste ko,,,naka survived ng tests di ba…it just means..from the start it was not acknowledged a fact..it means madaming tests…ang science is changing…kaya nag didiscover pa rin..ung bible po mula ng umpisa totoo,,nadiscover and ang oldest manuscripts na preserved pa…cguro naman alam nyo rin yon,,,maliban n lng i deny nyo..at kahit po sa roman history at history ng israel may mga events na nakasulat din sa bible..yun ay kung tototong nagbabasa po kayo..
peace!!!
ganun bah..kaya pala ung isang darwinian napahiya nakaraan lng sa batangas…ala kasing mapakitang evidence susugod nag dala pa ng mg alalay wala namang sinabi…dito lng namn kayo magaling..kasi duwag kayo..di nyo ng nagawa eh ibabalik mo sa akin…huh??alam mo sa loob mo…ung mga sinasabi mo para po sayo…salamat po…kasi takot ka pala..takot ka pala makipagdebate kasi alam nyo san man anggulo mali kayo..at alam mo panu makipagdebate lider namin???salamat din po alam mo pala na maliwanag gaya ng sikat ng araw ang paliwanag nya….
Sorry about the double post.
@mara. Sabi mo po mga Freethinkers ay nabibilang sa daliri.
Sabi mo din gumugulo ang mundo dahil sa mga freethinkers.
Ibig mo po ba sabihin ay ang humigit kumulang na sampung freethinkers ang nagpapagulo sa mundo?
anu problema don kung sampu?sampu lng nmn po kayu di ba?
Wala po akong sinasabing problema sa sampu. Pakisagot nlng po yung tanong. 🙂
@mara. Maliwanag naman po na hindi mo alam ang central argument ng Evolution. Start ka po sa libro mo sa science. Hard undismissable evidence po ang pinanggalingan ng kinukutya mong teoriya. Kung duda ka pa po sa Evolution JFGI. Tons of medical and technological advancement ang inaattribute sa Evolution.
Wag po sana tayong magstoop down sa name calling and mud slinging. Keep a Godly mind a Godly outlook and a Godly tongue even in the face of your enemies – wala po sa bibliya yan pero yan po ang tingin ko sa mga deeply religious people.
hindi po ako duda..i surely don't i agree with that monkey turned to human..im just being true..if your hurt..then sorry…sa mundo may tama may mali..and the truth prevails…di ako plastic and im frank enough to defend my faith bible alone is authentic and more scientific…well if di mo lam kung san k lulugar magbasa ka ng mga post ng iba…and tsaka k mg react sino masama dila…did i say anti social words…review mu comments ng iba bago sumilip at i defend yang theory watsover po!
@mara: i don’t want to sound arrogant but I probably will in your opinion. Regularly i give alms to the street beggar sitting near my school, i volunteer to teach students English and Mathematics, I actually sing in choirs in church, donate books, food, clothing whenever I have something to spare/ when there are calamities, as well as converse with depressed people althroughout my life. (not to mention random acts of kindness)
But I’m agnostic, and only turning 20 this year. Apparently I’m still going to hell if we follow your line of thought or sound like an old person.
I believe that goodness can stem from rationality such as I see a pregnant lady in the LRT2, none of the other passengers are giving way, I don’t really need the seat plus she’s got more on her plate so I gave her my seat. And I’m about 7 stations away till I get off.
I don’t want this to be a competion to see who’s more good than the other. But don’t be biased to say that we’re monsters, all I’m seeing here is bigotry, ignorance, a lack of tact, irrationality, and not to mention grammar. You’re probably still young so I suggest you get some experience in the world. There are many kind people in the world who aren’t religious.
One evidence that God is good…He is still waiting that someday…you freethinkers would repent..you cant say na walang Dios..then explain how did you exist…mas gusto ko may Dios…kesa maniwala na sumulpot n lng ako n parang pigsa sa mundo…ang bata naniniwala may isip sya kht hindi nya nkikita dahil alam nya nkakapag-isip sya…ang Dios…di man nkikita nakikita sa likha Nya..merong Dios..mabuti ang Dios at kahit kayo mga free thinkers nakikinabang sa blessings Nya…kht na magulo isip nyo…God bless at sawayin sana kayo…sana kumain kayo ng di kayo nag dedelusion..magbasa kayo ng bible..ang magulang para bumuti ang anak nagpapalo ng minsan..sa Dios nmn galing lahat ng buhay…mas alam Nya ang tama at mas malalim ang dahilan Nya…you guys are just finding excuses to allow youselves to do anything without restrictions…kaya magulo mundo dahil sa mga freethinkers na yan..
[you guys are just finding excuses to allow youselves to do anything without restrictions]
And religion is better, because the only thing that keeps its members from doing anything wrong is because their deity tells them to? Ergo, if said deity suddenly makes it okay for you to be a monster, does that mean you'd follow their request with equal conviction?
And this is not a theoretical question FYI – this HAS happened:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-05/pakistan…
hello…as I know…My God is good…and why post that argument…my God did not teach me to be a monster..and I know He never will….you might be mistaken..di lahat ng relihiyon parepareho…sa mundo,, may tama…kung meron man monster eh ung mga ayaw sumunod.,so selfish..i pity you guys…
The Midianites would beg to disagree with you on that:
Book of Numbers 31:
"1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.”
3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the LORD’s vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6 Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling.
7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. "
[kesa maniwala na sumulpot n lng ako n parang pigsa sa mundo…ang bata naniniwala may isip sya kht hindi nya nkikita dahil alam nya nkakapag-isip sya…ang Dios]
Those kids believe in youre god because you force them youre beliefs at a very young age.
and who said that Atheists believe that people just popped out of nowhere? Havent you heard of evolution? Read a book or something . Para naman hindi puro kabobohan yung lahat ng sinasabi mo.
ah salamat po sinabi mo bobo ka…that evolution…solohin mo nlng…kung totoo yan..sana wala ng unggoy ngyon kung nag evolve sa tao…kung ikaw payag ka nanay mo unggoy ikaw n lng hahha…
that theory remains a theory cuz its not yet a fact..di mo b alam meaning nyan…sa bagay limited lng kasi isip ng nanggaling sa unggoy..at unggoy..bleh!!!solohin mo monkey busness mo..haha
[kung ikaw payag ka nanay mo unggoy ikaw n lng hahha… ]
Sino ba nagsabi sayo na ang evolution is about monkeys giving birth to humans?
then explain…bkit may unggoy p hanggng ngyun kung nag evolved na??
andy linawin natin ang tanong mo alang alang sa publiko dahil bawal dito ang malabong tanong.
"then explain…bkit may unggoy p hanggng ngyun kung nag evolved na?? "
Anong species ng unggoy ang tinutokoy mo na "unggoy pa hanggang ngayon" ?
PAKI LINAW bago sagutin.
simple lng yan..kung tama lahat ng sinasabi mo ..bakit madami pa rin naniwala sa Dios…
at kahit tanungin mo po ung kapitbahay mo..di papayag na nag evolve sila whatever kind of apes…ginugulo mo lng po kasi..may nagawa bang good deeds ung grupo nyo wala…may free medical missions ba kayo, free bus, transient homes, free schools??kasi ang taong likha ng Dios mula sa tao na unang nilikha..gumagawa ng mabuti sa kapwa hindi puro salita at kayabangan kasi tao..nag iisip.umaaksyon sa ikabubuti ng kapwa ..ugaling tao..at kahit anu specie ng apes ung ancestors mo po at ung species mo,,wala akong narinig nag match ang dna,organs, cell nila to survive in a certain medical practice…the human body rejects any species of unggoy..baka ikaw gusto mag volunteer para mapaniwala mo ang publiko..peace!!
[then explain…bkit may unggoy p hanggng ngyun kung nag evolved na??]
You got it all wrong. Hindi naman tayo galing sa unggoy. Ang unggoy at ang tao, may common ancestor na hindi exactly unggoy, at hindi din exactly tao.
Magbasa para hindi parang tanga.
common ancestor??anu un mag kamag anak??
magpinsan???
ang buhok itim o puti…buhok pa din…
cge ipaliwanag mo nga kung san ka po galing???
kung mapapliwanag mo nga..eh from the start malabo ka na eh..po???
This really shows how much you know. Which is very little. In scientific terms A theory is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be true. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times
Go to school at least learn how to spell.
noun) hypothesis, possibility, theory
a tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena
"a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices"
theory
a guess or conjecture.
7. theory
contemplation or speculation.
if you can really comprehend, i think this would be enough..lolo!!
Thanks mara for answering. You just have shown to the Public how uneducated your views are and you're ignorance with your copy/paste.
Why don't you read your post again?
"a scientific hypothesis that SURVIVES experimental testing becomes a scientific theory";
you quote "SURVIVES experimental testing"
In our own words, what is a SCIENTIFIC TESTING?
hahaha…..kung talagang matalas ang understanding nyo po…
theory
a guess or conjecture.
theory
contemplation or speculation
a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory”; ”
survives experimental testing..kasi never a fact from the start…hindi accepted agad di ba..
kung maalis nyo sa definition ang guess,,speculation..
baka may maniwala sa inyo..
salamat po..di niyo talaga matitinag ang may pananamapalataya…
kung bobo ako..hindi ganito karami ang mag rereact.
peace be with you guys..
di pa nga ko nakapasok sa skul..taranta ka na..kung mag skul pa ko..cge po salamat
Mara, pinapakita mo lang kung gaano ka kaignorante at nagpapaniwala sa mga argumento ni Eli Soriano na wala namang alam.
Sabi mo
"sana wala ng unggoy ngyon kung nag evolve sa tao"
Anong SPECIES ba ng unggoy na nakikita mo ngayon ang tinutukoy mo na pinanggalingan ng tao?
kakapahiya nyo nga lng ng kawawa nyong representative na darwinian,,,sino kaya walang alam..
di ba kayo naman nagsabi nag evolved ang tao sa apes…bakit ako tatanungin mo ng species??
akala ko po bihasa na po kayo jan sa pag -aaral mo po?anung klaseng tanong yan? eh di explain mo jan ka lng nmn po magaling specialty mo pa nga po …
[di ba kayo naman nagsabi nag evolved ang tao sa apes…bakit ako tatanungin mo ng species?? ]
Kayo nagsabi niyan, hindi kami. Mali kasi pagkakaintindi niyo sa evolution. Tingin ko, sapat na para sa inyo ang makinig nalang kay Eli Soriano, dahil mukang napakalongshot na maintindihan niyo ng buo kung ano talaga ang evolution.
tama ka jan
sapat na sa amin..dahil bibilical…scientific..moral..and most of all
bro eli teaches how to care for our race.HUMAN RACE..
Tama ka, Mara! Tama! Mula ngayon, kampi na ako sa iyo!
Hindi din ako naniniwala na ang tao nagmula sa unggoy!
Katulad nung isang comment sa isang article dito dati, paano magiging totoo iyang evolution na iyan?!? Sino ang maniniwalang ang tao galing sa unggoy e ang dami-daming tao na mukhang kabayo!
Nakita niyo na ba yung Brother namin? Nakita niyo na ba yung hitsura niya sa TV?
Mukha ba siyang unggoy? Hindi!
Mahilig ba siya sa banana? Hindi!
Kabayo siya! Kabayo!
Hiya!!! Tigidigtigidigtigidig!
nalipasan kyo ng gutom…pasalamat kayo nag exist pa kayo…,magsisi kayo…buti pa ang bata alam n may Dios kasi may isip ..kayo wla
Mara, did it ever occur to you that the reason a kid believes in a god is because their parents taught them to believe, and the poor kid didn't know any better. Preying on innocence like that…shame on you 🙁
talga lng ha?and I admire parents who teach their kids that there is a God..i pity your kids..how hopeless there life would be if they will be blinded by you..i hope they would grow having sound minds..
Tell that to the Swedes, honey 😉
http://satwcomic.com/god-hates-sweden
ala ka na maisip…diverting the topic…defense mechanism
And I assume your defense mechanism is your lack of reading comprehension and world knowledge? Sweden has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, gay marriage is legal over there, they have a pretty kick-ass military, and they've implemented universal health care.
And guess what – they don't believe in God. 😉
if teaching God to your kids is "admirable" then teaching your kids all 1000+ gods and goddesses ever created by man in ALL existing religions must be even better !
the more the merrier, diba?
di lang xmas i-celebrate nila, pati birthday ni Thor, ni Hercules, ni Amun-Ra… ang daming extra holidays pag mas madami kang sinasambang mga diyos 🙂
Wes, sa Shintoism pa lang, you have MILLIONS of gods.
sila un..alam mo b ang word na "mag kaiba"??
wala po bang maayos kausap sa site na ito??
And we're a Christian country because the RCC was brought here by the Spaniards as a political tool, not out of good intentions.
Mara, if you want to be taken seriously, please present your points with clarity and defend them with solid evidence. I'm of the opinion that a lot of RCC people here in the Phil aren't taught to think critically, or frankly, hindi marunong mag-isip, and hearing you talk doesn't exactly change how I see them and you.
don't compare me to the roman catholic/./..I absolutely believe in the bible…and I don't pray to idols..
And the RCC calls you guys unauthentic Christians. Make up your fucking minds already – which is more legit?
it doesn't mean that when you're a Christian you are member of rcc..haven't you studied on what and how many registered religions in the phil??magbasa k pa ng balot ng suman bka mahanap mo!!!bleh!!!…generilizing what is not…yan b turo sa logic 101 nyo???
Nope, logic 101 begins on a course on reading comprehension, which you're sorely lacking.
My point is that the RCC accuses other Christian denominations of being inauthentic, while said denominations also claim the RCC is not legitimate in spreading the word of God.
mahirap po ba intindihin yun..eh di may isang tama sa lahat ng relihiyon…may nagsasabi ng totoo kasi nakasulat..hindi imbento..hindi trial and error..lalu na hindi experiment..po..
sana natulungan kita sa punto mo na ikaw mismo di mo nauunawaan ung sulat mo..po
kung nabasa nyo ang bible..at sabi nyu nmn napag aralan niu lahat dahil matalino kayo..acc. sa inyo na matalino kayo..sana nabasa nyo ng Dios mismo naglagay ng kautusan sa puso ng tao..
the goodness …kautusan na alam ng tao sa puso nya na mali o tama ang gagawin nya…and the freewill is 1 of the goodness of God..kahit alam Nya na may mga pasaway na freethinkers,,binigay Nya ang freewill nyo..ayw Nya na mabuhay tayo na parang robot na susunod n lng..so salamt namn at nabibilang sa daliri ang mga freethinkers na yan…mas marami pa rin logical at rational n tao sa mundo…and the way you think,,you talk,,<freethinkerzz>just show na desperado n kayo..hahaha
“may nagsasabi ng totoo kasi nakasulat..hindi imbento..hindi trial and erro”
LoL mara everything you have said so far only show ignorance
Bigotry and hate. Just because it’s written does not make it true
Yung story ni superman at spiderman nakasulat din pero you don’t see
People don’t pray to them. Gaboon din ang bible someone just
Wrote them a long tine ago. They are just stories like the
Novels people read today.
men wrote them with the guidance of the Holy Spirit..
kaya pala bagsak ka sa history henry..
kahit historian naniniwala na may mga events sa bible reflected sa history ng israel.,,rome,,
ang nainiwala na aside sa nakasulat may mga taong makakagpapatunay transferred generation thru another generation thru testimonies..at historical structures..
kung lahat generalize mo kasi..desperado ka na..
nakita mo ba si superman sa history pati spider man??kahit tanungin mo si rizal kahit kelan di sila nag meet..
Actually history was my fave. Sinong historian?
Bakit mag meet si Rizal at Superman? BTW Superman's first appearance was in Action Comics #1, in 1938 so yeah its part of history now.
Mara bata ka pa. Magbasa ka pa iha bago ka pumuna. Kapag umabot ka na sa punto na kung meron mang kumutya sa iyong paniniwala at hindi mo kinailangan na pansinin iyon, matino ka ng tao and that makes you good.
haha lolo almario…..kung kelan ka pa tumanda..tsaka ka nag-isip ng paatras..haha…magbasa ka din…or malabo lng talga ung function ng brain mo..expected ko n ang pagkutya and it will not make my faith any less..because i think im rational..kasi kung matino ka na…ititigil mo ang delusion mo…haha bleh….
As little kids we were easily taught anything from toilet training to communion. It should have stopped at toilet training because I now know that it takes two hands clasped with eyes closed to wipe out “indulgences” or pray for something than to clean out the real crap with one hand which we can see, touch, smell, hear dropping down, and sadly, yes, some kids have the funny experience of tasting them. If you believe all the crap you were taught then I urge you to try to make your words rational (because you think you are). Using your emotionally based replies or judgement, I advice you to do deep breathing exercises and have frequent casual protected sex to keep your mind in sync with sanity. You just need an output.
haha..look at the analogy…mayamay may-muta k pa ata..thats why ganyan ka mg react..yan lng ba kaya ng brain mo???anyway someone who evolved from a monkey…thinks like a monkey…haha…
@andy: …and? …then? What's your point? Isn't it a delight to clean out the real crap with one hand in less than a minute than doing the holy shit with two hands for the rest of your life? (not unless you cannot defecate which would indicate you have a bowel disorder, maybe a mutant, or you just think you're better than everyone else)
Please refrain from putting words in your comment that you cannot refer to the comment previously provided. Give yourself the need to make an argument that we can talk. Please continue your schooling and don't do drugs. Thank you.
mara@: Judging from the way you type and think, you a provincial barbarian, are you not? Learn to type properly, then we'll talk.
Otherwise your "opinion" is as superfluous as the 0.6 % impurities of an Ivory soap. I doubt whether there's any gray matter within that cranium of yours.
and you are?? a social climber???hahaha.sanay ka nga pala mag climb you evolved from apes right?…pasensya po taong probinsyanang nag iisip lng po ako…peace!!!
[…] Good without God […]
One thing I don’t understand about ritual sacrifices:
According to religion, we have God that basically took the time to create the world, filled it with a wide assortment of living things, all interconnected in an intricate web of life…
and now we think ritualistically killing these other organisms – some of which took decades to mature – is a way of celebrating our creation.
Pardon me for a potentially weaksauce analogy, but that’s almost like saying I should give thanks to the almighty Bill Gates by ritualistically smashing my PC – the same one his company took years to develop and perfect 🙁
I have another analogy. Imagine a family where the father is the sole provider, buying his children food, clothes, and toys. Now as thanksgiving to the father, the children would ritualistically throw some food, burn some clothes, or smash some toys.
second, mr fletcher's ideas are so general, people can have different interpretations that they become devoid of content.
what does survival of the human race mean? all of us? some of us? should we have sex all the time? should we not have sex all the time? women? men?
what does human well being mean? for some of us? the average? the least of us? how is well being increased? by eating more? going to the movies?
i agree that its always possible to come up a way of living without god. But the problem is that its TOO successful — you cant rule out "murder or lying" is bad based only on these two principles. truth is, people dont always just KNOW things are bad or good. they are taught them.
Isep…Isep @ GabbyD
Does "human race" means some of us, all of us? Ano ka ba naman? Human race di mo pa alam? Global human population.
Survival of the human race…Now what does it has to do with fucking??? In order to survive ba para sa iyo @ GabbyD all you have to do is to perform coitus? WTF!
Human well being di mo alam? The state of humans being healthy, happy, or prosperous; human welfare.
Hay my papaya: AGAIN READ THOROUGHLY BEFORE COMMENTING.
Thank you and have a nice day.
first, i have to say, i'm surprised that you reject the notion of judgement. judgement is a natural consequence of living in a society. hence, divine judgement is, conceptuallly, an extension of that.
but yes, if you do have a problem with judgement, you WILL have a problem with xtianity. in fact, in any religion. in fact, in any social creed/belief system.
Where did I say that??? @ GabbyD What I said was, "Punishments that are shockingly harsh in comparison to the acts committed is not about mercy and justice."
My papaya naman…please read throughly before commenting.
Have a nice day.
judgement i can understand, but "divine judgement" is nonsense.
@GabbyD “first, i have to say, i’m surprised that you reject the notion of judgement.”…
Firstly, I don’t see where you got the idea from the writing that the notion of judgement is at issue. What I get is the rejection of the authority of a deity whose notion of reciprocating with It entails willful infliction of pain and needless death, in exchange for It’s love. The god depicted in scripture behaves in bizarre ways that cannot *consistently* support a modern morality.
Let me digress a bit. Now, “if God asked it”, would you abet a family member’s killing their first-born? I think I remember the Old Testament Abraham being asked to do that, and that he actually made the attempt, only to have his hand stayed by God. It was a test of loyalty, you might recall – made by the same eternal God, I would imagine, upon which today’s Christianity is based – and a mighty show of mercy.
It paints a picture, from quite possibly inaccurate (and in any event highly fanciful) accounts of a schizoid God who didn’t bother to counsel and challenge Abraham to exercise courage and wisdom to lead his people, instead of staging that stunt with the blood sacrifice. It’s a god that stands outside reason, GabbyD, and demands *faith*, it might be said. IT DEMANDED THAT A MAN ACT AS A PSYCHOPATH TOWARD HIS SON. That can’t possibly be correct, can it? My, we’ll really need to review those scriptural sources, won’t we…
“judgement is a natural consequence of living in a society. hence, divine judgement is, conceptuallly, an extension of that.”
I’ll have to ask you to parse this a bit for me: Are you saying that the concept (and practice) of divine judgement, being an analog of retributive justice (which human societies have practiced), is also natural? Perhaps sensible? Your “hence”, your conclusion from the sentence “judgement is a natural consequence of living in a society” seems to be missing a paragraph.
Thank you Mr. Tani
There is no reason to cling to God to be good — walang razon 😉 Nice one, John 🙂
isnt it obvious…kayo kayo lng dito sa cheap site nio..that means…so cheap…anyway ganyan tlga pag local…kung kayo mabuti try to present any good deeds you've done..eh ala namn puro lng kayo salita..bleh