The CBCP began fulfilling their duty as sex education consultants by doing three things: (1) urging President-elect Aquino to scrap sex ed, (2) filing a class suit against Education Secretary Mona Valisno and Undersecretary Ramon Bacani, and (3) telling the DepEd (and anyone who will listen) that there shouldn’t be sex education in the first place.
The geniuses at Malacanang who thought consulting the CBCP on sex ed was a good idea made an obvious mistake: they weren’t being realistic. Why? Because the CBCP is not compatible with sex ed, DepEd, and reality in general.
The CBCP is not compatible with sex education. Asking the CBCP to be consultants on sex is like asking creationists to be consultants on evolution. Not only is the CBCP as ignorant of sex as creationists are of evolution, they have the same aversion toward the topic they’re supposed to consult on: both dogmatically ignore scientific evidence about said topics, both think that teaching said topics has lead to the moral degradation of our society, and both prefer that the public remain just as ignorant.
The CBCP is not compatible with the DepEd. The DepEd is a democratic, secular organization. The CBCP is a theocratic, religious organization. The DepEd is responsible for all Filipino citizens, while the CBCP, although it also tries to be responsible for all citizens, favors only Roman Catholics, ignoring the rights and beliefs of those who have different faiths, or who have none at all.
To implement its projects, the DepEd uses unbiased scientific evidence from experts around the world. To perpetuate its dogmas, the CBCP chooses only the evidence that is consistent with its myopic worldview.
The CBCP is not compatible with reality. By ignoring scientific evidence about sex and sex education, they are denying the truth; by making claims based on tenuous evidence or no evidence at all, they are spreading lies.
But apologists will say that they do consult experts, they do listen to evidence. Whose experts? Which evidence? The Vatican’s? Who can forget the Pope’s irresponsible comments about the condom?
They say that sex education will result in children being exposed to sex too early. The truth is, earlier than ever, children are not only exposed, they are bombarded by sexual ideas — from their peers, the media, video games, the internet, and so on. And this will happen whether or not our children are educated enough to deal with it. It is wishful thinking to think otherwise.
Another fallacy based on wishful thinking is the idea that sex education should be left to parents. How likely is it that a Filipino parent has accurate information on sex and sex education? How likely is it that a Filipino parent will actually talk to their children about sex properly, if at all? Just because the CBCP believes that parents should teach their children about sex does not mean that they will.
The spread of sexually transmitted infections, unwanted teenage pregnancies, the rapid growth of the population — these are real problems that need real solutions. If only the CBCP could stop its wishful thinking and finally accept reality, they will realize — sex education is the best real solution that we have.
Malacanang’s experiment has failed: making the CBCP sex ed consultants was a gross mistake. They have betrayed their partners not only by asking for the suspension of the project they’re supposed to work on, but by filing a class suit against the people they’re supposed to work with. Yet the appointment was a mistake from the start — a failed hypothesis. Their way of thinking is antithetical to the success of a secular, science-based sex ed program (or any secular, science-based program for that matter).
Malacanang must revoke CBCP’s appointment immediately. If the CBCP can be consultants on anything, it’s not sex education — it’s sex ignorance. But if the DepEd wants to keep them as consultants, the best way to go about it is this: measure progress by how much the CBCP is pissed off. If they’re filing lawsuits and pressuring politicians, you’re doing a great job.
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At first, I saw this as the church's way of controlling the population. But then later, I thought, was this really JUST population control?
No this is just to ensure that no control or any measure against the unlimited population growth is performed.
As only uncontrolled exponential population growth is providing a constant flow of desperate flock with the urgent need for religious brain soothing ensuring the constant flow of donations ensuring the prosperous well being and continued political influence of the flock herding priest.
That’s what the whole story is all about if cutting away the spinning and fake arguments – as simple as this.
Thanks guys for the good discussions.
Thank you also for respecting eventually the title of my site:
This is my last comment on this article:
The problem is our nation's ballooning population plus the sexual abuse. Overpopulation may be caused by early marriages, sexual immorality, parents who don't guide their children, law keepers who do not bring justice. The main causes of problems are all directed to morality and self-discipline. In my opinion, the solutions must also be directed to morality and self-discipline. In schools, the popular subjects are mathematics and science. But the values related subjects seems to be taught boring (in my opinion) When I was in elementary I was taught the human reproduction -and it's fine. So I think it's time for the DepEd to focus on fortifying the values related subjects. That is., enriching morality, self-discipline and respect instead of harming our neighbors – whatever their religions or whether they have religions or not.
well, when i was in college we had EUTHENICS as subject, a combination of anatomy,biology, and ethics, which when summed up if i will call it today sex education.
[ Vic’s amazing wisdom: “ This is my own opinion:
In preparation of a war or invasion, the government will teach Filipinos some education how to fight and defend our country.Matured people:
Teach to fly F16 bomber (assuming we have)
Unmatured people (children): ????????? “]
Comparing school education in biology/medicine/health and evolved natural instincts with an invasion war . . . . uuuups. I am not sure, what I should make out of it or interpret into it and the sex life of the poster, without possibly sounding like ad hominine attack, so I don’t comment on this strange comparison any further.
Just some anecdote: once while waiting in the airport departure area, the cable TV movie after several street fights, shootouts and exploding cars with blood and scattered bodies etc… was showing a man (the hero) hugging and kissing his wife after surviving the adventure. My Christian wife immediately reprimanded our kids not to look at that kind of “disturbing” scene and hold her hands in front of the kids eyes – killing and fighting is ok for Christians, but hugging and kissing seems disgusting evil.
About the strange example of an invasion war requiring F16 fighter plane training : first of course the best would be to avoid any violent confrontation upfront.
But if there is a need for training : the training plan and the decisions if/what/how… to train should be made from professionals of on-board electronics, aeronautics from a flight school, communication experts for air traffic control, radar screen interpretation (or whatever needs to be trained) e.g. experts on each topic to draw up a curriculum.
Trusting the training or decisions about the content into the hands of inexperienced men without a single speck of knowledge about the subject, rely on their interpretation of ancient Bronze age myth (like flying carpets etc…) would not be a good advice.
And if it is really unavoidable for the sake of the example: there should be a training starting what a weapon is , why there is war, how to prevent misuse of weapons, how to use it properly …etc… and not just let a bunch of inexperienced youth – just because now old enough – climb into a cockpit of the F16, (or use a M16 ….) without any previous experience and training just encouter it all by themselves and just see what happens.
@Roland
A little off topic, but I am reminded of this famous quote about gay discrimination:
"You know there's something wrong with a society when it's more worried about men holding hands than men holding guns."
[“ Vic said: …. (to Roland): Then you really don’t understand. Just consider death penalty…in Israel’s Histroy “]
I understand exactly what your invoked Romans 16:17-19 as your proposed guideline for school education is telling : do whatever the religious person is telling you – otherwise you are against god – no own critical thinking allowed. And what on earth has the death penalty in ancient Israel to do with SexEd in the RP – attempted distraction from the topic !
So it seems you are one of the evangelical fundamentalist of whatever denomination (or J.V.), who often reject to enroll their kids to any school because of “religious reasons” like mixed gender classes, SexEd, teaching of evolution, not total focus on the Bible for all school subjects …etc.. as seen in Christian fundamentalist circles in Europe and especially the USA.
[Vic said: “ I’m not against to scientific, biological education of human reproduction as it was in the past decades. But if it will go beyond that – then it’s a different story “]
So you have no clue what exactly is the content of the SexEd curriculum is – but you are totally against it because the church says so.
What is wrong when children in their starting puberty gets proper biological training of egg & sperm production, Gametes – DNA, Menstruation cycle, fertility periods, a short wrap of microbiology with focus on sexual transmitted diseases and the like. Every educated modern country in the “First World” has this school education in their curriculum – tell the children what is going on in their own bodies during puberty, during pregnancy, explain the inner organs of the body including testes and ovaries.
To avoid child molestation (in modern countries) already kindergarten kids are taught that private parts are private especially for others (uncles or strangers), sometimes with a special puppet show to conduct the message, but this is not part of the planned SexEd for 11-13 year old kids here.
[Vic said: “ Isn’t any religion want’s their people to love their God all their minds, all their hearts and all their life? (unless you are atheist) – I will respect your own view.”]
Not sure what I should make out of this ambiguous statement e.g. are you respecting every view as long it is somehow religious (Muslim, Hindu, Wicca, Poseidon, the big pumpkin) ??? Or unless you are atheist I will respect you …. Anyway a site topic.
And what on earth has the desire of humans to love their specific invented god to do with the teaching of SexEd ??
First : Do you have any evidence for the existence of your personal favorite god possibly the Judean fertility god YHWH as son of godfather Elyon “the most high” – just one out of at least 2850 human invented gods ?
Second: Do you have any evidence that your personal favorite god wants all Christian children to stay uneducated in biological/medical matters of reproduction ? Please provide proper notarized documents signed from YHWH ! Not your personally distorted Bible verses twisted into a meaning to support your own agenda, before twisted from the priest of your parish (of whatever sect), before translated into English to push a specific agenda, before floating around as different versions full of spinning from scribes with an own agenda, before even “original” versions contain more copy errors than words, before written down in the first place based on gossip, hearsay and personal inventions of first authors who were uneducated goat herders in the desert.
So as long you can’t provide any reliable evidence that the creator of the entire universe himself disapproves SexEd as proposed from the DepEd in the RP, all your invocation of god to support your personal agenda, your problem with sexuality or at least dislike of SexEd in general – is just that: your personal private opinion supporting the personal stance of sexual dysfunctional male virgins in retirement age wearing women dresses and funny hats claiming special privileges because of it.
So why not let the scientific experts of biology and medicine in conjuncture with education experts and psychologists decide about the proper teaching of the subject here ?!?
PS: for anyone interested in the neuroscientific explanation of the “god and myself think that” or “what would Jesus do” …. here a nice article: http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/11/…
@ Roland F
Roland F says:
"So it seems you are one of the evangelical fundamentalist of whatever denomination (or J.V.), who often reject to enroll their kids to any school because of “religious reasons” like mixed gender classes, SexEd, teaching of evolution, not total focus on the Bible for all school subjects …etc.. as seen in Christian fundamentalist circles in Europe and especially the USA."
Your generalization is wrong…
Roland F says: [Vic said: “ Isn’t any religion want’s their people to love their God all their minds, all their hearts and all their life? (unless you are atheist) – I will respect your own view.”]
Not sure what I should make out of this ambiguous statement e.g. are you respecting every view as long it is somehow religious (Muslim, Hindu, Wicca, Poseidon, the big pumpkin) ??? Or unless you are atheist I will respect you …. Anyway a site topic.
…..did you observe that it was a question??? And you judge it as an ambiguous statement.
Roland says: First : Do you have any evidence for the existence of your personal favorite god possibly the Judean fertility god YHWH as son of godfather Elyon “the most high” – just one out of at least 2850 human invented gods?
Since you ask. Have you heard of any God, whom is witnessed by millions of Israelites (a people of nation), in the Mount Sinai, whom is testified by them? And since you don't believe that God exists (I guess) – what is you evidence that God doesn't exist? Who created you? Who design the snowflakes? Who put you eyebrow on the top your eyes? Who brings you safety when you sleep, so that you can still awake every morning?
BTW, as a man who recognize humility and honesty – I admit I really don't know the (100%) details of DepEd proposed SexEd. And I thank you for sharing it. I'm not with the catholics.
@Vince
"And since you don’t believe that God exists (I guess) – what is you evidence that God doesn’t exist? Who created you? Who design the snowflakes? Who put you eyebrow on the top your eyes? Who brings you safety when you sleep, so that you can still awake every morning?"
Argument from ignorance
http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/ig.htm
And secondly, "Millions" of people on Mt. Sinai? Was there even that many Israelites back then? Where is your proof?
And no, the Bible does not count as evidence, unless it has an accurate documentation of who was there, and is cross-referenced with related scientific studies indicating that said event did take place.
"Have you heard of any God, whom is witnessed by millions of Israelites (a people of nation), in the Mount Sinai, whom is testified by them?"
http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/F…
@ Twin-Skies
I'm just new to this site. I found this site in the no. 2 spot in the religion category of top.blogs Philippines.
Anyway, I am not particularly bringing any religion here. Your point of understanding is that you want to separate God from some point of your life. Isn't any religion want's their people to love their God all their minds, all their hearts and all their life? (unless you are atheist) – I will respect your own view.
You said:
"Clear enough, that they could justify murder, rape, and slavery because their God ordered them to do so (Numbers 31). Was that justice too, to destroy an entire tribe? Was it also justice that ancient Israel’s penalty for a man raping a girl was a payment of 50 shekels? (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)"
This is a law in the old covenant in Israel. And if you are talking about righteousness – wouldn't it be righteous, if you are a creator of something, and you can't do everything you want to that thing you created? Try to create a pot of your own. Wouldn't it be unrighteous for you if you cannot do you own will on that pot you created?
You said:
You’re not against the intricaces of human reproduction. You just don’t have a single fucking clue how it works.
Do you hate CBCP personally? Just asking. But anyway whether you like them or not – I'm out of it. 🙂
Should we discuss this matter the friendly way? I love this site, especially that this is created by my co-Filipinos. The AmazingWisdom is the title of my site (it pertains to the pure words that comes from the Bible – pure wisdom coming from God). It doesn't pertains to my own human wisdom or my own opinion. I wish some commentators of this site will respect the term.
Perhaps we can meet in the halfway:
This is my own opinion:
In preparation of a war or invasion, the government will teach Filipinos some education how to fight and defend our country.
Matured people: Teach to fly F16 bomber (assuming we have)
Unmatured people (children): ?????????
Bringing this to sex education: What's your guess my friends?
Whatever your answer is – I will respect.
Vic, becoming an F-16 pilot is not as simple as sitting through several classes a week.
Becoming a pilot takes several months, if not years, of dedicated training, with each candidate costing the state milliorns of pesos (or dollars) in resources. You don't even get to fly in a real aircraft until you have logged in hundreds of hours of time in a simulator, and have passed a battery of health and mental exams; If you wear glasses for example, you're automatically out of the program.
And secondly, F-16s aren't bombers. They're not even ground attack fighters, unless you count the A-16, which I believe was axed in 1989. The F-16 itself did see use as a ground attack fighter, but its fragile frame and even more fragile fly-by-wire controls made it an easy kill for accurate AAA.
In Afghanistan for example, the USAF shelved their F-16s in favor of the much hardier A-10 Thunderbolt II (aka the Warthog).
But I'm digressing, as as Roland put it succintly earlier, you made a shitty analogy, moreso that it's an analogy with a piece of hardware and arms service that I have read into in my time as a military geek.
"This is a law in the old covenant in Israel."
So if it's "Law" to intentionally maim and kill my fellow man, and is endorsed by God, it's suddenly okay to do it?
Vic, for somebody who claims to have the moral high ground on matters of sexuality, you have a seriously skewed sense of morality.
"And if you are talking about righteousness – wouldn’t it be righteous, if you are a creator of something, and you can’t do everything you want to that thing you created? Try to create a pot of your own. Wouldn’t it be unrighteous for you if you cannot do you own will on that pot you created?"
The difference, Vic, is that we are sentient, and capable of thinking and free will.
And if you insist on keeping to your analogy of God being able to have his way with us, and letting us kill and rape each other for no other reason than simply because he can, then that makes God a complete dick.
I can let my Sims die of starvation for example by quietly deleting the door from their closet after locking them in there, and I'd do it too just for lolz. But that also makes me a dick as well.
and there's the catch-22 Mr Vic…
how do you define "maturity"? it certainly doesn't come with age. I know a lot of adults who still act immaturely.
Maturity comes from knowing what is right or wrong – either someone more knowledgeable has taught you or you learned the hard way (through experience)
how do you expect people to "mature" if you don't teach them. maturity comes from responsible elders teaching the younger generation. unless you prefer that children to experiment with sex on their own to "mature more naturally"… ?
wes says:
"and there’s the catch-22 Mr Vic…
how do you define “maturity”? it certainly doesn’t come with age. I know a lot of adults who still act immaturely."
As they said, we are talking here 5-6 graders. How are you CERTAIN that maturity doesn't come with age? Do you know a lot of children who are already not childish?
I'm just asking. I agree there are really adults who still acts immaturely. IMO, generally, maturity can be delayed to common adults – but it's hard to be advanced to children.
Just my personal account on the matter of sex education, so I'm not sure it speaks for other schools:
Vic, we were taught the Birds and the Bees when I was in Grade 6. Aside from the occasional giggle from our class, the lessons on understanding the basics of human reproduction without the needless moralization enabled us to look at sexuality from a very objective perspective.
Sure, there may be people in the batch that may be less mature than the rest, but they're the exception to the rule, not the norm.
As for old men who still can't seem to act maturely, you read my mind – I was about to say that about half the idiots in the CBCP.
"Another fallacy based on wishful thinking is the idea that sex education should be left to parents. How likely is it that a Filipino parent has accurate information on sex and sex education? How likely is it that a Filipino parent will actually talk to their children about sex properly, if at all? Just because the CBCP believes that parents should teach their children about sex does not mean that they will." -ryan tani
it is what is in our constitution.
Article XV SEC. 3.
The State shall defend : (1) The right of spouses to found a family in accordance with their religious convictions and the demands of responsible parenthood;
Yes, it is not unlikely that parents may not have accurate information or that they may not actually talk to their children about sex properly but that gives us reason to educate the parents…not the children.
Then I suppose the school will have to coordinate with the parents on the matter of sex education, and inform them (probably through a PTC or a separate lecture) on what they can teach their kids at home.
Besides, if the CBCP gets its way with telling DepEd what to teach, aren't we allowing them to impose their concept of sexuality on children who may have Muslim or otherwise non-Christian parents?
@innerminds
So you agree to teach those children the process of sexual abuse done by that uncle you have said just to let them be aware and know how to defend their selves from maniacs?
@Twin -skies
Wherever it is – whether it is public school or private or whatever – God must be included. There are proper education for proper ages. Why not educate the older people who are prone of sexual immorality rather than the little children – if you want sexual abuse to be eradicated? There is a big difference between innocence and ignorance.
@ Roland F
I think you are not comprehending my point.
First – I am not a catholic and I don't mind of CBCP
Well Roland if this is how you understand what I said:
"But to wrap up the “Vic’s amazing wisdom” : all school education in the Catholic Republic of the Philippines is limited by Romans 16 and has to follow whatever the CBCP want (= good), no own thinking of the medical experts, biological scientist and pedagogic experts (= evil) allowed."
Then you really don't understand.
Just consider death penalty…in Israel's Histroy, it was a law by God to punish by means of Death penalty (stoned to death). That was the time when God is near to them and that justice is clear.
Now consider here in the Philippines nowadays, where justice is obscure. Do you think death penalty is applicable? Do you want some innocent people be punished to death because of the lack of justice.
Now consider sex-ed, in our country nowadays – where sexual immorality spread in the media (tv, internet, old people talking, etc.) Do you want to hand over the idea of sex to those little children?
I'm not against to scientific, biological education of human reproduction as it was in the past decades. But if it will go beyond that – then it's a different story. 🙂
//So you agree to teach those children the process of sexual abuse done by that uncle you have said just to let them be aware and know how to defend their selves from maniacs?//
No. Just teach them that the vagina is a private part and should not be touched by anybody. How hard could that be?
"No. Just teach them that the vagina is a private part and should not be touched by anybody. How hard could that be?"
I agree to this point.
Vic, let me be blunt.
1. A public school educates the children of not only that of Christian families , but the children of those who belong to other religions, and atheists. You don't seem to understand that, and instead prattle on and on about how God should be included in the classroom.
There's nothing stopping you from having a personal faith, but that right does not extend to you trying to preach your doctrine to those not in your religion.
In fact, you insisting on indoctrinating children at such a young age – at the point of their lives before they can make an informed decision for themselves – into your belief system is absolutely disgusting. You're being an opportunistic gobshite.
You may not be a Catholic, but based on your reasoning I'm surmising that you belong to one of many other Evangelical Christian demographics.
2. Have you even read through the several press releases by DepEd on the matter of how they plan to implement their sex ed program? They're planning to introduce sex education starting from grade 5 to 6, gradually adjusting the information these students will recieve based on their age and assumed sense of maturity.
You're the only one here assuming that DepEd will be introducing these programs to completeley "innocent" kids.
3.
["Just consider death penalty…in Israel’s Histroy, it was a law by God to punish by means of Death penalty (stoned to death). That was the time when God is near to them and that justice is clear."]
Clear enough, that they could justify murder, rape, and slavery because their God ordered them to do so (Numbers 31). Was that justice too, to destroy an entire tribe? Was it also justice that ancient Israel's penalty for a man raping a girl was a payment of 50 shekels? (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
["I’m not against to scientific, biological education of human reproduction as it was in the past decades.]
The DepEd made the decision to implement sex ed because of the statisics indicating our ballooning population, and based on the suggestions of chil psychologists, and yet you think that you can push all that aside by just quote-mining your favorite old tome.
I've already seen the damage your kind's mindset on sex education can do Vic, as evidenced by the Guttmacher Institute's recent reports on how abstinence-only sex education has been linked to the rise of teen pregnancies States in the US last year.
You're not against the intricaces of human reproduction. You just don't have a single fucking clue how it works.
1. A public school educates the children of not only that of Christian families , but the children of those who belong to other religions, and atheists. You don’t seem to understand that, and instead prattle on and on about how God should be included in the classroom. –twin-skies
It may be that the rights of spouses (as stated on the Article XV SEC. 3. The State shall defend : (1) The right of spouses to found a family in accordance with their religious convictions and the demands of responsible parenthood;) are being defended by the Church but that doesn’t make the rights (or its scope and effects) exclusive to Christian families.
The rights that we have as stated in the constitution apply to all, regardless of religion.
2. Have you even read through the several press releases by DepEd on the matter of how they plan to implement their sex ed program? They’re planning to introduce sex education starting from grade 5 to 6, gradually adjusting the information these students will recieve based on their age and assumed sense of maturity. –twin-skies
Let’s just say, for the sake of discussion, that it would be constitutional to do so, the maturity of students within a class is still not the same, not all in 5th grade have the same level of maturity, experiences, comprehension, emotional and physical state.
[It may be that the rights of spouses (as stated on the Article XV SEC. 3. The State shall defend : (1) The right of spouses to found a family in accordance with their religious convictions and the demands of responsible parenthood;) are being defended by the Church but that doesn’t make the rights (or its scope and effects) exclusive to Christian families.
The rights that we have as stated in the constitution apply to all, regardless of religion.]
The problem with your argument is that the church is trying to impose itself on a public school. The parents may have a say in how they run, but in the end, public schools are government institutions, and hence a property of the Philippine Government.
Article 6, section 6 Dictates:
The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable.
The only time I believe that the CBCP would have due cause to protest is if DepEd literally walked into every child's home, and forced the parents to follow their organization's sex ed programs.
The parents always have the option of telling their kids at home what they think of the birds and the bees.
On the other hand the CBCP is trying to impose Catholic Doctrine on school that is not supposed to favor one religion over another. These are schools that are also home to children who may have non-christian parents. Is the CBCP respecting their right to their religious views when?
2. [Let’s just say, for the sake of discussion, that it would be constitutional to do so, the maturity of students within a class is still not the same, not all in 5th grade have the same level of maturity, experiences, comprehension, emotional and physical state.]
Fair enough, but at this point, do you have a a more accurate gauge of determining an entire grade level's sense of maturity?
It's not a perfect system, but the grade levels works well enough as an indicator of the student body's overall maturity.
Whatever school "God" must be included? Are you seriously trying to push that EVERYONE has the same belief as you? The fact is most, if not everyone, will eventually grow up and HAVE SEX, SEX, SEX, however much they want and how they want it, however early they think they are ready for it.
the RH Bill is supposed to be prepared in a way that it can cater to anyone, even those who don't believe in a god, as long as they're Filipino citizens.Like you said, there are various types of sex ed implemented at certain ages, but the "innocence" of a kid would eventually be gone once they learn to masturbate, which can be as early as 7 or 8. Children eventually WILL find out about sex, it's just better to prepare them for it.
[ Vic @ AmazingWisdom says : Whatever the Government’s limitation of that kind of education -it must be limited to this : Romans 16:19 “]
I am not amazed by this kind of wisdom from you Vic.
See the full context of this Saul of Tarsus epistle based on his *divine knowledge* derived usually during temporal lobe epileptic seizures (Saul/Paul symptoms are diagnosed as this seizures – commonly agreed from mainstream neuroscience experts). But anyway loom at the content:
[ Romans 16: 17I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people. 19Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil. 20The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.]
My comments:
17: do not questions any of my teachings, no critical or own thinking allowed– just swallow whatever I tell you.
18: Whoever is not accepting whatever I tell is not serving god.
19a: blind obedience is good and makes me joyful
19b: I want you not to compare/judge/evaluate all possibilities to come to your own conclusions. Just believe everything I tell you because it is good, ignore everything I hide from you because it is evil.
20: The imminent crush of Satan (within 2-3 years of Saul/Paul’s writings in the 50s AD ) – reconfirmed as the imminent ‘second coming’ within the lifetime of Jesus apostles. Well Vic, you might be still waiting for it. Following the scientific method: the falsification of a testable prediction has to lead to the complete scrapping of the hypothesis.
And thinking about SexEd seems to enhance the fantasy of some people to focus on teaching imagined positions during intercourse, not on the biological, medical, microbiological aspects.
But to wrap up the “Vic’s amazing wisdom” : all school education in the Catholic Republic of the Philippines is limited by Romans 16 and has to follow whatever the CBCP want (= good), no own thinking of the medical experts, biological scientist and pedagogic experts (= evil) allowed.
Roland, I've visited Vic's site.
I can't tell if it's serious, or a very well-made Poe. Then again it just goes to show you how full of crazy shit fundies can be 🙁
Why are we keeping the term "sex education". For children who are graders or in preparatory, I know it's not wise to teach them "sex education". Let them be innocent of those things. Sex education should not be used as a term – it should be "reproductive education".
"Sex ed," by any other name, is still sex ed.
Then the little children should remain innocent.
What you call innocent, I call naive and clueless
So the solution would be to close them to reality for another couples of years, and just let them discover their sexuality when they're utterly unprepared?
Yeah, I'd call that clueless, but not them 🙁
They are little children my friend. They don't need clue. If they are old – then they may need clue – so you can call them clueless.
Why is it unwise?
Because the world we live is unwise. If only the majority of elder people are good model and they practice and conceive sex faithfully and holy – then maybe it's wise. But considering the reality today – it's not applicable. There are lots of other problems the DepEd should focus of – lack of books, classrooms, teachers, etc.
@CBCP
As I should say the same of the CBCP.
There are a myriad of problems that could have been their focus – poverty, abused children, corruption – and yet they decided to bank everything on pushing back the RH Bill and any utterance of sex education in the classroom.
To the point that they would ask people to NOT vote for any politician who is backing the RH Bill, including genuinely good people like Risa Hontiveros.
And doing so, to the point that they even suggest asking the people to vote for a corrupt politician simply because they do not support the RH Bill.
To follow the CBCP's lead, despite their own poor decision making and bigotry and stupidity, is what I believe would be called "unwise."
And don't call me "friend." Maybe it's a force of habit for you to call other people that, but quite frankly I find it unsincere and patronizing, and it pisses me off.
Not even my friends call me "friend," so why the hell should you?
This, despite the fact that their own vaunted abstinence-only policy has already proven ineffective, and the fact that we are
I don't see anything unwise in teaching kids the parts, functions and how to take care of their bodies. More importantly they should be aware of the signs of sex abuse & harassment like whether or not a relative or family friend is touching them improperly.
And they also should be taught (at the appropriate age) that people's sex lives, sexuality and sexual orientation are part of respecting differences, and that their private lives is none of our business.
I don't mind CBCP.
Let's just teach the children of what is good (taking care of their body) and let them be innocent of what is evil (sexual abuse, etc.). Whatever the Government's limitation of that kind of education -it must be limited to this:
Romans 16:19
"Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil."
@Vic
I'm not even sure if sex abuse is going to be covered by the sex ed classes, so I'm wondering why you think they'll teach them that. And besides, why the hell would a teacher promote rape. If they would ever discuss such things in the classroom, it would be to portray it as something wrong, and
Secondly, keep in mind that these are public schools – they're supposed to be free of any religious and political influence. That includes intentionally quoting biblical passages. I'd rather they stick to the facts.
On a last note, I very much disagree with your passage. It asks people to only know what is "good", and yet promotes that people remain ignorant of what is bad. I think people are far more capable of staying out of trouble if you properly educate them on what is right and wrong.
You, on the other hand, seem to think that playing dumb over an issue will make it go away. It doesn't; that mindset only invites more trouble, and intentionally keeping kids innocent of their sexuality and the hazards it may involve is not only intellectually dishonest, but it can also be damaging to their lives.
//let them be innocent of what is evil (sexual abuse, etc.)//
This is amazing wisdom indeed! So when an uncle or older cousin begins touching their vaginas, they will be blissfully unaware that an abuse/violation is taking place and they can just enjoy the stimulating sensation to the point of orgasm!
"This is amazing wisdom indeed! So when an uncle or older cousin begins touching their vaginas, they will be blissfully unaware that an abuse/violation is taking place and they can just enjoy the stimulating sensation to the point of orgasm!" -Garrick
No. They will be aware that something bad is being done unto to them because they have been taught what is good.
I was the one who wrote that, not Garrick. Anyway, can you give an example of something 'good' that can be taught to little girls that would make them aware that being touched in the vagina is bad? Remember, there is no pain involved in this particular abuse, and they might even experience pleasure.
I was the one who wrote that, not Garrick. Anyway, can you give an example of something ‘good’ that can be taught to little girls that would make them aware that being touched in the vagina is bad? Remember, there is no pain involved in this particular abuse, and they might even experience pleasure. -innerminds
sorry for the typo. what is to be taught always depends on the intellectual capacity and maturity of the child involve. children at such young age, (as i am assuming this is the age that you are referring to) it is not necessary to explain the horror of rape/abuse, nor the sexual act, std, contraceptives, etc… isnt it more reasonable to tell them what is good to do and how to prevent and deal with possible abuse rather than explain the horrors of it? to say something along these lines "these are parts in your body that are considered private, some people might try to see or touch, it is good to not let them, if they forced themselves on you, it is good to always let your mother/father or any adult within the room, get their attention, get away from them as soon and as far as possible…" than explaining to them what sex is, what happens during rape, etc… there is a time for that and it is for the parents to decide when they are ready, not the state.
//to say something along these lines “these are parts in your body that are considered private, some people might try to see or touch, it is good to not let them, if they forced themselves on you, it is good to always let your mother/father or any adult within the room, get their attention, get away from them as soon and as far as possible…”//
If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly what the Dep Ed wanted to teach in Sex Ed class. I also noticed how you conveniently (albeit a bit awkwardly) phrased your lines like "it is good not to let them (see or touch your private parts)" instead of the more direct "it is not good to let them see or touch your private parts" just to be consistent with your earlier comment: "They will be aware that something bad is being done unto to them because they have been taught what is good." 🙂
Reynor, my problem is that what if the parents fail to teach their kids about proper sex education.
While I do respect that a family has a last say in teaching their children such crucial lessons, time and time again, I've also seen reports of families where the parents themselves have shown their lack of understanding of basic human sexuality.
And furthermore, while it is the parent's right to raise their child according to their own set of beliefs, the state has as much responsibility to give the child a proper upbringing.
Article 2, Sec. 13 of the constitution: “The State recognizes the vital role of the youth in nation-building and shall promote and protect their physical, moral, spiritual, intellectual and social well-being. It shall inculcate in the youth patriotism and nationalism, and encourage their involvement in public and civic affairs.”
"If I’m not mistaken, that’s exactly what the Dep Ed wanted to teach in Sex Ed class. I also noticed how you conveniently (albeit a bit awkwardly) phrased your lines like “it is good not to let them (see or touch your private parts)” instead of the more direct “it is not good to let them see or touch your private parts” just to be consistent with your earlier comment: “They will be aware that something bad is being done unto to them because they have been taught what is good."-innerminds
It is phrased that way because studies on child development yields a higher positive response when disciplinary measures are conveyed with a positive tone. it protects the child's self-esteem and dignity. it gives them a healthy positive challenge without feeling any sense of negative restraint. Rules on the negative, when dealing with children, make children to likely view their parents negatively which inhibits learning and can only teach and influence children to be unkind to others.
"And furthermore, while it is the parent’s right to raise their child according to their own set of beliefs, the state has as much responsibility to give the child a proper upbringing."-twin-skies
It is to be noted that the role of the state, as stated, is limited to promotion and protection of their physical, moral, spiritual, intellectual and social well-being. It coincides with and in support of art 15, sec.3. The state is there not to act as another "parent" but to support the parents and their children.
"physical, moral, spiritual, intellectual and social well-being."
Reynor, don't teaching children about the reproductive system, proper hygiene, and the value of private parts also count as helping their
"physical, moral, spiritual, intellectual and social well-being"?
And furthermore, if the parents are unable to provide their children with even a basic nuance of their sexuality, then wouldn't a sex ed program be a fulfillment of Article 15, section 3?
My problem with the CBCP is that they're trying to convince people that a sex education program will eventually lead to making children promiscuous, which quite I quite frankly find to be utter crock – it's like telling us that anybody who reads Cather in the Rye will eventually become a murderer.
I guess the CBCP sees Sex ed as the fruit from the tree of knowledge 😀
CBCP (Child-Banging Catholic Pedophiles) as consultants on sex ed? Brilliant!
getting a bunch of celibate old men as sex consultants???
really now… isn't that like getting a blind person to re-decorate your house?
The reason why CBCP (the church in general) is against sex education and contraceptives etc because it will eventualy lead to population control; controlling the population growth means reducing the growing number of the uneducated mass thus reducing their control over our society in the future.
Like!
CBCP:
Contraceptives are
Bad for
Collections, which are dependent on
Population
[“The CBCP is not compatible with reality “]
Sorry to disagree the RCC in the Catholic Republic of Philippines (similar like the Islamic Republic of Iran) are absolute down to earth and founded in reality.
All kind of education is evil (for the ones benefiting from superstition), as only the enlightenment ended the dark ages of theocratic absolute rule. Uncontrolled overpopulation is the main driver to ensure the continuous supply of uneducated easy to indoctrinate & control masses.
Just imagine educated not indoctrinated students, critical thinking is taught in every classroom, informed & controlled birth instead of unchecked overpopulation, resulting in smaller classes with yet even better (free of charge) quality education. Plus state provided social security benefits, health insurance for everyone, sufficient state controlled pension funds — all which reduce the need for brain soothing woowoo in a total dysfunctional society. Just imagine a society ending up like Northern Europe: educated, with self-controlled life, secure and happy .
In short the total NIGHTMARE !! As believers in such a society are a small minority, church attendance reduced to Sunday entertainment of a few with an average age level of 75 years, therefore the Church has NO INFLUENCE on government and every persons daily life.
You can’t serious think that the CBCP will support their own downfall – aren’t you ?!?
Very good. The CBCP filed a law suit? How about a rally against those MF? The CBCP needs to be taught a harsh lesson.
the church continues to impose its belief system on the state ..
Well the Bishops know very well that there are a lot of references in the net
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