Trolls are nothing new in the life of a freethinker, particularly those who like to spread lies and claim ad hominem when you point out evidence of irrational and deceptive actions. It can be a very stressfull life when you consider that all these people who like to spread information and make personal attacks never get tired when they are in the Internet voicing their strong opinions (without having to ever bring up evidence or without the intent to listen to the other side’s diplomatically framed argument).
Internet trolls are very easy to come by. The best solution is actually asking the persons to put their money where their mouth is and bring them to a public discussion. When they begin to sound crazy, it’s not just you who notices. This applies to the religious ones, even those with the Religiously Granted (but Unearned) Credibility of a Priest, to a “middle-aged” netizen, or any one who resorts to cheap tactics, like drowning out the other side’s argument with rants and being unable to communicate their ideas efficiently enough to let you have a word in.
When this happens, bring a camera and threaten to post in Youtube or host in a torrent. Point out deflections, fallacies, captured lies, and cognitive biases in their arguments when there is a whole lot of public around to see them at their worst (and they’ll know it is their worst because they know better than to let themselves get public).
Learning to fight, argue, and discern the lies and deceptions is an important part of life. We will encounter these problems in business and in our personal lives. Someone will always be trying to take advantage of you with an argument designed to deceive you, both face to face and on the Internet. We are free to ignore them or to answer them at our leisure time, but when reality catches up we should get used to the idea that we will have to publicly argue with them. Imagine how such people have taken advantage of you or your loved ones and being powerless to stop them.
As a freethinker you shouldn’t worry, since there is an answer. Counter-deception skills are a Science and available to the freethinker because it takes the same kind of skills to find such knowledge. The sciences hated by many trolls are (Behavioral) Economics, Game-theory, and Cognitive Science, mostly because these are related to the sciences that disprove or don’t support their claims.
It’s not as if you’re alone trying to learn the skills to find more honest answers from people or facts. There is a whole lot of people who are tired of bullshit and would like to hear less of it. They have the advantage of being able to cooperate, practice these skills together, and develop new techniques. I’ll leave the possible consequences of a group more skilled in catching bullshit and developing a strategy to throw it back to the trolls’ face with greater force to the imagination.
Why hasn't someone come up with this before? Simple bandwidth calculator for my iPhone.
Opened up to this post coz I was wondering how an article would merit 69 comments (love the number by the way, which made it all the more hilarious!). It figures that a piece on BS would warrant such a f*@^$#E up rant- thread. hey guys, let's do try to make this site a fun, intellectual one, (freedom to everyone's opinions notwithstanding).ease up everyone!
hi santa! gift ko ha? 😀
Ugh, he's back? Or is this a different one? Ok I'll bite.
"proof, evidence and dialectics are for sophomores."
>>> explain this one again? I hope I'm interpreting it wrongly. Are you saying that proof and evidence are NOT required, that we should believe something is right "just because"? If so, then that's BS.
"real freethinkers do not suppose that only those who can defend their claims (and argue to death) has arrived at the truth."
>>> Those who cannot defend their arguments means their arguments are flawed. Those who realize the flaws in their arguments should accept it, revise their opinion of the truth, read more on it, and argue better next time.
Those who don't even argue, but instead resort to name-calling, are called trolls and are banned when they derail threads.
for naming me "don juan tamad", i would like to thank "justin sipag at tyaga". aquino ka ba o villar? sipag at tyaga ka kasi e. super tyaga mo mag reply sa itinuturing mong troll, stupido at deceptive. thanks for stooping down–most of the time, even lower!–to my level! appreciate it, man.
Actually, most of is here voted for neither candidate, so your assertion we voted either Villar or Aquino has gone up in smoke.
You on the other hand seem to be leaning towards Miriam Defensor's idea of "smart" – a deluded smartass who thinks they're saying something intelligent, when in fact you're just making a lot of noise, and very little sense.
what's wrong with you, twin? did i assert you guys voted for anyone? can you please re-read my reply to justin and see the context of my statement.
about miriam, yes i actually voted for her. and juan ponce too. they're the "nicest" senators in the whole universe! 😀
[aquino ka ba o villar?]
haha, katawa ka naman… 😀 for someone who claims he's an intellectual (rational freethinker) you don't know how to properly read context.
Wow a presedential joke, so last campaign season.
But as for accurately portraying the Kinds of Actions you have taken Nothing so clearly points out Intellectual Laziness as what you have done so far.
If you were really honest in your intentions, then the Cost to you to research, answer an argument with Logic and reason, citing proof/evidence or examples would have been less and thus would have been the actions of a person inclined to get at honest and objective answers. Instead the choice of Emotional Arguments instead of hard facts, says how much you value one compared the other. In this Dichotomy, your actions are, economically speaking, inclined to cheaper and less substantial sarcasm and baseless accusations.
So Don Juan Tamad, if you continue to make your incredible excuses with every post instead of forming a more sound and cohesive though and argument Speaks volumes of how much your self precieved ego is more important than any objective fact or inconvenient piece of information observed from your actions and priorities.
Keep posting, you have moderate sarcasm skills but with out any real substance to your claims are muted. You continue to show how much you value your Appearance of Intellectual Superiority, That no body can tell get away showing how petty and lazy you really are.
I predict, you will never bring up facts and keep making excuses. You think sarcasm will win your argument for you (Genius!) And, you will keep acting this way because no one will ever know who you really are and you think people will never make you accountable for your BS.
sarcasm but without any wit to frame a fact for a witty rebound. Sigh… anyway, only the motivated learn, the Tamad just keep doing the same thing.
justin sipag at tyaga!
let's sort this out. what exactly do you want me to prove?
>>schopenhauer says:
September 13, 2010 at 8:50 pm (Edit)
justin sipag at tyaga!
let’s sort this out. what exactly do you want me to prove?<<
The following Claims:
>>>
What is Karma?
Submitted on 2010/09/02 at 8:34am
these “freethinkers” refuse to accept concepts that are not couched in their terms; much in the same way children who refure to drink fresh water if not placed in their glass. Call it karma, they will say its bullshit; call it “causality”, and they’ll agree.<<
>>
Malum Prohibitum
Submitted on 2010/09/02 at 8:35am
this article is bullshit! nonsense<<
>>Submitted on 2010/09/02 at 8:53am
do you think it’s sane to pit reason against faith? by which standard would you judge which is better? by reason’s?<<
>>Submitted on 2010/09/02 at 10:50am
welcome.
same way i appreciate the “bullshit” comments by “freethinkers” in the article on karma. very mature, objective and insightful!<<
>>Submitted on 2010/09/02 at 10:55am
innerminds, why not change your name to stupidmind. that’d be more appropriate.
twin, i’m not taking sides between reason and faith. i just think it is useless, unhealthy, insane to praise one at the expense of scorning the other.<<
>>Submitted on 2010/09/02 at 11:31am
KABAKLAAN!
“My skepticism’s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions have changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God’s feet. The one true conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and merciful God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.”<<<
>>Submitted on 2010/09/07 at 10:00am
the problem is some people limit the concept of causality to scientific relation. karma simply means “you reap what you sow”. plant mango seed, if the conditions permit you’ll have mango tree. if one sows the seed of evil, one cannot expect to reap a good fruit. that is cause and effect!<<
>>.no, thanks. am not joining your org for atheists<< A claim that the org is of atheists, please prove prove that.
>>Submitted on 2010/09/02 at 4:49pm
innerminds and twinskies are genuises!!!
they are the heroes of “freethinker”
they are the defenders of “freethought”(whatever they mean by that dubious term) almost like the apologetics to the catholic faith.
they are intelligent, very rational and mature (see how they argue)
they are infallible; they commit no mistakes you might mistake them for gods.<<
>>hahaha, intellectual arrogance! you seem to think of yourself as too “intellectual” that everyone else is inferior. a bad case of bloated ego.<<
>>inner, in the forum you asked me:
“And why is the term ‘apatheism’ unnecessary?”
tell the forum administrator to unblock me from posting and i shall gladly reply.
the admin seems to be a non-believer not only in god but also in due process.. how tolerant you “freethinkers” are of dissenters.<<
>.yes they are welcome but you generalize saying in effect that they are all irrational, and according to you immature is somebody who makes generalization; therefore you are immature.
is that the way you deal with dissenting opinions, you call them “troll” and dismiss their view, or worse, don’t allow them to post in your forum. how tolerant!
can i be your resident troll?<< _ notice the earlier posts, and around these posts Don Juan Tamad started already getting Offended for being called for what is plainly observable of his actions.
>>Submitted on 2010/09/02 at 2:16pm
that’s a stupid idea, inner.. you really should change your name to stupidmind
<<
>>you, twinskies and innerminds and someone else (you know who you are!) are no different from eli soriano and the preachers of INC only that you don’t preach god and don’t quote bible verses. Fundamentalists love nothing but to fight and argue, exposing what you think are eroors in another person’s views. And if you don’t win the opponent over, you resort to name-calling. you call him irrational, immature, troll and, the latest, “deceiver” and cry out publicly… (and you believe you’re a machiavellian? patawa ka naman e.)<<
>>hey, i admire your strategy in dealing with people with views different from yours and whom you could not easily convince by your “diplomatically-framed” arguments.
first, you call them troll and point out their ad hominems; as if calling somebody troll just to dismiss his views isn’t ad hominem in itself. re my ad hominem. it was not without provocation.
second, you and your friends gang up on him arguing against everything he says just because he says it, even the statements that are evidently said in jest, whether good- or ill- humor, e.g. “nietzsche and dawkins are gods”, “innermind and twinskies are infallible geniuses” only the insane would demand for proofs!
third, set up a crusade against the “troll” and advocate that everybody else hate him like the plague. so much for promoting reason, eh!
you people were so focused on the division between faith and reason that you failed to consider the rift between passion (anger, hatred, ansgt, etc.) vs. reason.
you spread your collective anger and hatred like a virus in the name of reason, “your” reason! you even come up with a “diplomatically-worded” article to display your stinking disgust!
and if all else fails, fourth, have your co-admin (so you may deny later that you did it) block the “troll” from posting in the forum so it would all be one-sided, your side! sure win, noh?
great tactics! this is pure genuis!
sige talo na ako sobra talino mo e, gifted ka e, special child ka siguro dati.<<
Number of Posts that tell people to see for themselves, that does not explain.
>>Submitted on 2010/09/14 at 7:54am
what’s wrong with you, twin? did i assert you guys voted for anyone? can you please re-read my reply to justin and see the context of my statement.<<
>>Submitted on 2010/09/13 at 3:28pm
HAHAHAH! He can’t keep but replying to this deceptive troll. Everytime you reply you just dig deeper with me.
Oh wait, did i say whatever i say MUST be taken as TRUTH! All i say is “see for yourself” you look for proof yourself. if you can’t find any, then why bother demand for proof from somebody else? Lol,
Remember, we can keep digging deeper together, just keep replying, its not like stupidity has a magma core to hit. was it einstein who said that only two things are infinite: one is space, that other is….?<<
>>Submitted on 2010/09/13 at 3:21pm
what are u talking about, justin? did i say you should trust me? all i say is “see for yourself”. if u think all i say are lies and deceptions, then don’t bother. if i may quote the great Twin-Skies, “If you don’t like what I say, you can always ignore it ”
do i want you believing me? NO. NO. NO. i don’t want a disciple! if i do, i would eagerly prove every claim i make as you would like me to do.<<
>>Submitted on 2010/09/13 at 2:50pm
if for you i have nothing intelligent to say, why do you keep talking to me..and with great gusto in replying! haha talk to the wall ka na lang, same din naman yun no intelligence..
and about “living life well”, everyone is entitled to his own idea of living his life well. mine is trolling around, and yours is neurotically replying to the stupid troll. it takes two to tango.
and you seem so sure i’m stupid. and who am i to deny, it takes one to know one di ba?<<
>>Submitted on 2010/09/13 at 10:59am
your trouble is that you have to explain everything to everybody, compulsively.. and worse you demand others to do so as well.
a mind that refuses to see will refute any proof. i tell you something; whether it is true or not, see for yourself don’t cry for others to explain everything for your. all the buddha can tell you is “ehi pasiko” (come and see).<< I love this one. Don Juan Tamad Classic
about miriam, yes i actually voted for her. and juan ponce too. they’re the “nicest” senators in the whole universe! <<
As you said ITs PLAIN TO SEE. Observationally Plain what you are. Intuitively people are very acute to what you've done and what you are trying to do. As a specimen, you are nothing new, all the other trolls that came before like IK are more skilled and versed in Logic and Philo, at least. You on the other hand have Crusader's tenacity but with sarcasm. A lot of Name dropping but no substance or explanation of how well you've understood the subject matter. It makes me think, you got away with a lot of bullshit in school to think it will pass in real life. That your profession is definitely not the kind that deals with very complex understanding that cannot be tested on written understanding but on technical approach.
Its not that people here are smart, they just have a lot of heart when learning, you don't. Your priorities are purely plumage. That is clear and easily observed by the frequency you react to being called out, versus having to explain yourself. Then resorting that you need no explanation, that people should Telepathically Get you (since there is nothing for them to read) or the defense that Explaining is BAD LOL!
What is a strange conflict is that you complain people DOn't get what you say, yet you get defensive when they DO get it: that you are a troll and acting like a jerk.
You don't need admin membership to see the file of all your comments. Just cut and paste all of it to Word and let it count frequency of use of particular tactics and frequency of BS.
Again, you have a lot of claims. No explanations and saying nothing to explain why you say things so… AND unable to take the criticism of ANYONE even your base claims. What more if You even spend the effort to explain LOL.
Keep going Don Juan Tamad, given the number of posts you make and how short they are. Its clear you plan to balance your effort in just making personal attacks, sarcasm, and trying to twist words of others out of context.
After this post of Explanation. I can do the same and everyone else can too. At least I've done my homework, too bad you can't say the same about yourself.
Oh and Face to face meet up, Coward.
i am overjoyed you are an avid reader! 😀 but sad at the same time because you misinterpret, deliberately or otherwise, everything i say just because it is me who said it. what do they call it in star trek, "emotionally compromised"? during medieval times, the church had made philosophy the handmaid of religion. here you are now, trying (but utterly failing) to make reason and logic in the service of your fiery, petty and childish emotions.
about your invitation to meet up, why should i? what's in it for me? you yourself is a self-declared pragmatist and machiavellian, you should get my drift. what concrete benefits will it do me meeting you up face to face? ganon ka na kadesperado, hindi mo ko kaya talunin dito sa internet? 😀
about my claims, which one would like me to prove first?
"…petty and childish emotions."
Project, much?
"ganon ka na kadesperado, hindi mo ko kaya talunin dito sa internet?"
You really think you're WINNING? You're not even saying anything of worth!
"about my claims, which one would like me to prove first?"
Why don't you start at the beginning, instead of STILL avoiding everything and just spewing more of your mental diarrhea?
Definitely an idjit.
sliver, am i talking to you? can you please have the courtesy to let justin reply and speak for himself.
Are you blind, dipshit? He already replied to you, and the post you made after that hasn't got anything worth replying to. And you dare try to teach me courtesy, when you don't even know it's meaning?
But apparently you don't know much of anything, because once again you avoid everything that Justin said. Still no valid arguments for your claims. What a dumbfuck.
And STILL you have nothing… and can't even act your age. Sigh.
>>schopenhauer says:
September 14, 2010 at 4:41 pm (Edit)
what are you, justin’s angel?! or his YAYA spoiling her little baby justin. YAYA ka lang, WAWA ka naman.<<
Why is this a PRIVATE conversation? Silver and Twin have every right to reply to a PUBLIC and OPEN conversation.
As for avid fan, it seems its your first time to see how real work is done. Too bad its too alien for you do real work. Conmen and Predatory Liars like yourself have really nothing to say about research and hard work.
as for what you have to gain in a face to face meet up… Well there is nothing, everything for a Liar and Conman to lose when he has to play his cards face up. But since you are such, then to not take it really shows how committed you are to honesty, transparency, and rational and open discussion.
I haven't even posted what you wrote in the forum. Still even your latest post
>>schopenhauer says:
September 14, 2010 at 12:12 pm (Edit)
i am overjoyed you are an avid reader! but sad at the same time because you misinterpret, deliberately or otherwise, everything i say just because it is me who said it. what do they call it in star trek, “emotionally compromised”? during medieval times, the church had made philosophy the handmaid of religion. here you are now, trying (but utterly failing) to make reason and logic in the service of your fiery, petty and childish emotions.
about your invitation to meet up, why should i? what’s in it for me? you yourself is a self-declared pragmatist and machiavellian, you should get my drift. what concrete benefits will it do me meeting you up face to face? ganon ka na kadesperado, hindi mo ko kaya talunin dito sa internet?
about my claims, which one would like me to prove first?<<
says everything thats needed to say on the matter. What Is surprising and a learning experience is how deluded you can be to think, your motives cannot be gleaned. You must really think you can lie convincingly (feeling Balseraph). I wish I knew your Identity and I can check how much you might be a shoe in for Hare Psychopathy Checklist (just a few more points to double check). Of the compulsive and delusional liars I've met, your might fall under the psychopathy category. Unremorseful and unempathic, also sexual harassing even our members are red flags for such a type.
And if you are a Psychopath, well now its not the most skilled one we've encountered. Pumba, I have to say is still the most escalated and advanced type to date.
Although, speculating that you are, I can say that by your current behavior you definitely have sociopathic tendencies. Unremorseful, even in all uses of language. not a hint of curious regarding what particular science or method being used to argue.
Normal people have a lot of hesitation for making personal attacks, particularly when they are afraid of repercussions. A skilled approach to anonymity means you've done this before and you have a history of such somewhere. It will be no surprise if on of the many lurkers here would PM us leads.
Especially, since there is actually no Philosophical discussion to tie to a school of thought. Purely Sarcastic Arguments, Attacks and Word play. At least Pumba has an ideology (which means he has a philosophical background to draw on his argument).
But the choice of trying to pull off age. Trying to appear older. Thats funny, because I know middle aged guys, I actually hang around them often enough. You are way more internet savy than they are. at the same time, you thought an appearance of age will lend you credibility. thats interesting because it means that your not that old, either parents of respected elders are of this age. This is clearly the only way you knew to draw on credibility: authority by age (sad actually).
>>hi i'm schopenhauer, just passing by…
i'm filipino, middle-aged, male.
i like philosophy. my idol is nietzsche.
i'm neither a theist nor an atheist. nor am i an agnostic.
i think it doesn't matter whether god exist or not, and how greatly you argue for or against it…
what matters is how well you live your life.<<
There is also the issues with Apatheism.
The use of Idol to describe how you admire Nietzche.
and the BS about how well you live your life… doesn't reflect you approach to Diplomacy very much.
Also how many middle aged people do you know who stay and argue? Man, you're a liar. You to many lies about your self and you think that does nothing to your credibility. Another delusion, yet again you use an anonymous ID to troll. A strong Drama Queen and Center of attention complex.
As for analyzing Don Juan Tamad, which I'm sure he'll love this post. Since people are free to comment and follow this, It would be useful notation in the exercise of being able to analyze motives through language use. How trolls do have a pattern of attack, and that framing and skillfully wording a reply and screen them.
More skilled trolls, hide and change ID when found out. The response is called Displacement. When the troll fails to Displace, and continues to argue means something also. My guess is that this is the most attention this person will ever get in his waking hours. I mean, look at everyone elses rate of reply and how they have much more important things to do, yet this troll stays and argues… not even shoring up with some skilled arguments but just attacks. Reeks of desperate and irrational urge to Win back Face (On the Internet of all places)!
And lastly, the piss poor comprehension of what a valid argument may sound like. Particularly the Explanation that Explanation is Not needed and that Needing an Explanation is in itself Explanation of Lack of Intellectual ability. (talk about self conflicting statements)
Its nice to know that Don Juan Tamad finally took the time to read about my personal write up. Awww, so he's taking advantage of how accountable I am by my openness but He is loathed to do the same, lest all his previous history catches up on him. Don Juan Tamad has some running away from his faults to do, and his new strategy is to bury it in trash talking. 😀 Great coping skills.
tell the admin not to ban me..
don't you want to win in our debate?
Win the Debate? So it is about Winning to you not coming to a more honest collection of answers, facts, and information. Plainly Observed, this is another example of an Ego that seeks affirmation of intellectual insecurity, particularly one focused on Appearance instead of substance.
As for "Winning a Debate" by what objective attributes can a discussion be measured and by what context can its attributes be considered? (I doubt you can have the skills to make a point by point explanation of these considerations, and will probably resort to your "No need for Explanation" excuse.
i'm proud of you! little by little you're maturing in learning… that's right, winning the debate is not everything there is to being freethinker. proof, evidence and dialectics are for sophomores. real freethinkers do not suppose that only those who can defend their claims (and argue to death) has arrived at the truth.
way to go, young padawan! hahaha 😀
In the language of someone skilled in stealing credit. How enlightening but unsurprising. I feel sorry for coworkers and classmates of yours.
happy for you, justin, for being enlightened. that's quite a leap, young padawan! haha 😀
>>neo_schopenhauer says:
September 18, 2010 at 1:52 pm
happy for you, justin, for being enlightened. that’s quite a leap, young padawan! haha <<
now your not even trying.
Don't YOUR order's apprentices stab masters like you in the back?
@twin
Great, now I feel greater pity for the poor use of geek references.
Schopenhauer has risen! Albeit with a different IP and a missing "c". Okay, we'll give you another chance. Just stick to the issues discussed in the articles and avoid making personal attacks and off-topic remarks that derail the threads and you can stay. Go ad hominem and we will ban you over and over again until you run out of IPs and spelling variations of your name.
@inner:
It's the same person. http://www.filipino-freethinkers-22d5b3.ingress-earth.easywp.com/forum/viewtop…
You're too nice, innerminds.
Let's give him a chance. Seems he's trying to behave. Christians don't hold a patent for forgiveness.
im a disciple of castaneda's don juan. being anonymous can be as exciting as erasing personal history.
don juan said:
"it is best to erase all personal history because that would make us free from the encumbering thoughts of other people. . . . when one does not have personal history nothing that one says can be taken for a lie. your trouble is that you have to explain everything to everybody, compulsively . . . you must simply show people whatever you care to show them . . . . if we erase personal history, we create a fog around us, a very exciting and mysterious state in which nobody knows where the rabbit will pop out, not even ourselves."
But in your case it means never having to own up to the lies you make. Oh and running under Don Juan's skirt for an excuse, Bravo!
Still waiting on the evidence of your claims.
Still not being "Blocked", and as I said before every post you make just confirms you lying.
Bring troll 😀
your trouble is that you have to explain everything to everybody, compulsively.. and worse you demand others to do so as well.
a mind that refuses to see will refute any proof. i tell you something; whether it is true or not, see for yourself don't cry for others to explain everything for your. all the buddha can tell you is "ehi pasiko" (come and see).
[your trouble is that you have to explain everything to everybody, compulsively.. and worse you demand others to do so as well. ]
You're the only guy I've seen here that has ever implied that trying to be factually accurate is some sort of vice.
Just what Bizarro world do you hail from?
[. i tell you something; whether it is true or not, see for yourself don’t cry for others to explain everything for your. all the buddha can tell you is “ehi pasiko” (come and see).]
Let me get this straight, you're lambasting inner for being near-obsessed with backing up his claims with data, and then you're going to claim that buddha says we should strive to see for ourselves the "truth."
You just blew up your own argument. 😛
Quote-mining all these famous scholars and writers doesn't make you any smarter btw. All you're doing is dragging their names in the mud by associating them with your inanity.
If you don't like what I say, you can always ignore it 😉
am i talking to you? that was actually for justin. can you be courteous, at least to him. let him reply himself. wag kang sabat nang sabat hindi naman para sayo.
>>schopenhauer says:
September 13, 2010 at 10:59 am (Edit)
your trouble is that you have to explain everything to everybody, compulsively.. and worse you demand others to do so as well.
a mind that refuses to see will refute any proof. i tell you something; whether it is true or not, see for yourself don’t cry for others to explain everything for your. all the buddha can tell you is “ehi pasiko” (come and see).
<<
Emperor's new Clothes! LoL
Hahaha! A Liars excuse! Why should anyone TRUST you! You think you have the same credibility as BUDDAH! LOL! Luck we don't have any hardcore buddists here. Wow, Magical Credibility. Wave magic fingers over the keyboard, Presto You MUST believe me LOL you live in such a magical world 😀 excusing never having to explain anything is an excuse best saved for gradeschool students who failed to do their homework and not adults.
You think you can Ask people to trust your word just because you said so? Holy Fuck, thats not only stupid, but makes it clear you are a predatory liar and conman 😀 Niiiiice.
You just made your motives so clear, and left such a LONG and easy to follow trail. If anyone figures out who you really are good luck getting a job in an institution that works on trust 😀
what are u talking about, justin? did i say you should trust me? all i say is "see for yourself". if u think all i say are lies and deceptions, then don't bother. if i may quote the great Twin-Skies, "If you don’t like what I say, you can always ignore it ;)"
do i want you believing me? NO. NO. NO. i don't want a disciple! if i do, i would eagerly prove every claim i make as you would like me to do.
That quote was meant to target you, not justin, you dumbfuck.
>>>schopenhauer says:
September 13, 2010 at 3:21 pm (Edit)
what are u talking about, justin? did i say you should trust me? all i say is “see for yourself”. ”<<<
TAMAD Look Si Don Juan TAMAD! Accuse ng Accuse, wala namang alam or laman ang sinasabi.
>>>
do i want you believing me? NO. NO. NO. i don’t want a disciple! if i do, i would eagerly prove every claim i make as you would like me to do.<<<
So your accusing people, yet you don't want them to believe in your accusation. Damn, man thats a freaky. Pare Lay off the Juju weed when you post. Wait for 6 hours for it to clear your system and take some coffee. Mahirap kausap ang High.
@Twin
Man, the troll is on Fire! schopenhauer is an ill fitting name, Don Juan Tamad nalang. First impression, tamad mag research, tamad mag basa, tamad mag isip… puro tamad.
Sabi nya may alam sa Philo, paano naging totoo yan Tamad mag basa. Pati mga Post Tamad basahin and ayusing ang reply.
Feeling Don Juan pa sya LOL.
Paano mag argue si Don Juan Tamad?
– "Basta Tama ako, its Plain to See. Kung Di mo makita Tanga Kayo lahat! Kung Ayo nyo belib bahala kayo" LoL
Da best talaga si Don Juan Tamad na pangalan.
Sadly, you're no Don Juan. You're just a cowardly troll who hides behind the words of a famous author because you lack the spine to actually say something sensible out of that piehole you call a mouth.
To quote MY favorite author, Richard Marcink:
You are just a pencil-dicked, puss-nutted cockbreath.
wow, character!
HAHAHAH! He can't help but keep posting 😀 LOL Eveytime you reply you just dig yourself deeper. Your accusation of :
>and if all else fails, fourth, have your co-admin (so you may deny later that you did it) block the “troll” from posting in the forum so it would all be one-sided, your side! sure win, noh?<
Still waiting for proof of this 😀 Oh wait, you don't need proof. What every you say MUST be taken as TRUTH! Lol, good luck convincing people of your credibility 😀 Remember, you can keep digging deeper, its not like the Internet has a magma core to hit.
HAHAHAH! He can't keep but replying to this deceptive troll. 😀 Everytime you reply you just dig deeper with me.
Oh wait, did i say whatever i say MUST be taken as TRUTH! All i say is "see for yourself" you look for proof yourself. if you can't find any, then why bother demand for proof from somebody else? Lol,
Remember, we can keep digging deeper together, just keep replying, its not like stupidity has a magma core to hit. was it einstein who said that only two things are infinite: one is space, that other is….?
>>>schopenhauer says:
September 13, 2010 at 3:28 pm (Edit)
HAHAHAH! He can’t keep but replying to this deceptive troll. Everytime you reply you just dig deeper with me.
Oh wait, did i say whatever i say MUST be taken as TRUTH! All i say is “see for yourself” you look for proof yourself. if you can’t find any, then why bother demand for proof from somebody else? Lol,
Remember, we can keep digging deeper together, just keep replying, its not like stupidity has a magma core to hit. was it einstein who said that only two things are infinite: one is space, that other is….?
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So you admit your Deceptive, that you have no honest intentions. Thats great dude. Come on, now tell us about your childhood, and while your at it your real identity.
fuck off, schopa. If you can't, just shut the fuck up, coz you're just full of shit. you are not needed on this thread(or better yet, this site), as everyone already has an asshole.
you bring out the best in me, sliver… 😀
it's great fun to see you "rational" being burn in your collective irritation towards one person! hahaha 😀
keep attacking, i love it, especially you sliver, i'm all yours, i want to be attacked by a smart ass woman (or do you prefer to be called bitch?).
??? really then why don't we have a face to face then. Avoiding and Deflecting, how typical deception. Why so long before the last response, I was afraid I magically Censored You?!
Every reply you make you proved you just lied 😀 its nice.
Wait, you're actually getting sexual pleasure from being flamed?
Boy, you've got some serious issues. 🙁
whoa, I didn't see that. Yikes, disturbing. I guess this is the most and only attention he can possibly get.
*Yawn*. Stupid doesn't really turn me on, sorry.
so it's mutual. you don't turn me on either.
I don't turn you on coz I'm a smart-ass bitch and too sexy (your words) for fucktards like you, and you don't turn me on coz you're a stoopid idiot.
See the difference now, schopa?
i'm too stupid to see… can u please explain again?
you've finally admitted to understanding you're a stupid dumbfuck? That's sooo big of you.
Well. When all logic fails, the SOP for these trolls will be "Guess what, God did it. He doesn't need to explain anything to you."
lulz. Don't feed the troll guys.
But how else shall I practice sharpening my claws & cleaning my chompers? 😛
Well, there's always the discussions in the forums to keep you on your toes. As far as food for thought goes, trolls are junkfood.
It may be fun chomping on them, but too much of that can rot your teeth (not to mention your brain).
How I wish we were actually more like INC.
I mean, look at all that money XD.
[Fundamentalists love nothing but to fight and argue, exposing what you think are eroors in another person’s views.]
Not so much thinking there are, than knowing.
[And if you don’t win the opponent over, you resort to name-calling. you call him irrational, immature, troll and, the latest, “deceiver” and cry out publicly… (and you believe you’re a machiavellian? patawa ka naman e.)]
When somebody pretends not to hear the hard evidence leveled against their argument, and insist they're right despite contrary data, yeah, I'd call that being a fucking retard too.
That's calling a spade a spade, or a fame-baiting dumbfuck like you what they are – a troll.
you, twinskies and innerminds and someone else (you know who you are!) are no different from eli soriano and the preachers of INC only that you don't preach god and don't quote bible verses. Fundamentalists love nothing but to fight and argue, exposing what you think are eroors in another person's views. And if you don't win the opponent over, you resort to name-calling. you call him irrational, immature, troll and, the latest, "deceiver" and cry out publicly… (and you believe you're a machiavellian? patawa ka naman e.)
Hmm, let's take a look at this:
"And if you don’t win the opponent over, you resort to name-calling."
And then this:
"sige talo na ako sobra talino mo e, gifted ka e, special child ka siguro dati."
It's very obvious now that you're projecting.
People here are trying to educate and learn from one another, and the only time that someone feels like a bunch of people are ganging up on them is when that person is being corrected yet does not listen. On the Karma Thread, I never once saw the writer of the article complain and whine that we're after him, no matter how much BS we think the whole point of karma is.
We call bullshit here. If you have something to contribute, do so. If not, stop whining, read up, open your mind in the *hopes* of learning something new, or go the fuck away.
hehehe, if you disect the words and the actions (like never bringing any evidence nor answering to it with deflections and evasions) you will find a…
DRAMA QUEEN
Actually, anybody who takes the time to track your ramblings will notice you have resorted to nothing but petty jeers, personal attacks, and disjointed logic to defend your case.
We only started calling you a dumbfuck – well, at least I did – when you proved yourself to be one.
Name-calling? No, it's called being painfully blunt.
hey, i admire your strategy in dealing with people with views different from yours and whom you could not easily convince by your "diplomatically-framed" arguments.
first, you call them troll and point out their ad hominems; as if calling somebody troll just to dismiss his views isn't ad hominem in itself. re my ad hominem. it was not without provocation.
second, you and your friends gang up on him arguing against everything he says just because he says it, even the statements that are evidently said in jest, whether good- or ill- humor, e.g. "nietzsche and dawkins are gods", "innermind and twinskies are infallible geniuses" only the insane would demand for proofs!
third, set up a crusade against the "troll" and advocate that everybody else hate him like the plague. so much for promoting reason, eh!
you people were so focused on the division between faith and reason that you failed to consider the rift between passion (anger, hatred, ansgt, etc.) vs. reason.
you spread your collective anger and hatred like a virus in the name of reason, "your" reason! you even come up with a "diplomatically-worded" article to display your stinking disgust!
and if all else fails, fourth, have your co-admin (so you may deny later that you did it) block the "troll" from posting in the forum so it would all be one-sided, your side! sure win, noh?
great tactics! this is pure genuis!
sige talo na ako sobra talino mo e, gifted ka e, special child ka siguro dati.
schopenhuaer, you just proved him right.
Oh please. Not everything is about you 😉
If I'm blocking you, Then why on earth can you post here? This gets more hits than the forum?
Hmmm…
Call me a liar, then lets air things out. Why don't you be transparent and give up your identity, just like me. One guy whose using an alias and a email alias, saying I'm deceptive when I'm even MORE transparent.
Nice, Thanks Pare! Keep posting, love your replies. tell us more about you through your reasoning, words, and use of language.
@justinaquino
I see that for visual reference, you just HAD to pick the most annoying troll known to man…
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatg…
@twinskies
I didn't pick it, but i like it too.