With Ratzinger vacating the papal throne, much has been made of who will be the man (and of course it must be a man) to replace him. In the press conference the CBCP held to talk about how sad they are about Ratzinger resigning the papacy, Father Francis Lucas spoke up for all Filipinos saying that Filipinos would love for the Philippines’ own Cardinal Tagle to become the next Pope.
“We Filipinos would like a Filipino to be pope. Any country would be proud of that – that your own cardinal becomes pope,” said Lucas, head of the mass media commission of the country’s Roman Catholic bishops.
“The ordinary people, they would like Tagle to be pope because he is a Filipino.”
When asked about what qualities made Cardinal Tagle a good candidate for the papacy, Father Lucas said, “He is humble, he is meek, he is very bright, he is media-savvy, he is simple.”
Maybe Father Lucas should have also mentioned that Cardinal Tagle brings a uniquely Asian way of looking at the sexual abuse crimes that hang over the Catholic church. In a recent interview, Cardinal Tagle talked about how well received his presentation was on how the Catholic Church should handle sex abuses. This is how GMA news reported on this interview:
“You care. You care for the victims… You care also for the abuser who is definitely lost and you do not want the person to continue being lost… This is a very Asian approach. And it is that approach [that] leads to healing, but healing based on justice, based on truth,” he added.
Sounds good so far. Cardinal Tagle is talking about justice, which is always good, and healing, too. It’s commendable that Tagle speaks of healing not just of the victim but also the abuser. But judging by the track record of the Catholic Church in handling sexual abuses, what exactly does Cardinal Tagle mean?
Well, it turns out that if you watch the rest of the interview that wasn’t included in the report, Cardinal Tagle tells you exactly what he means:
“I think for us, legal action, exposing persons, both victims and abusers, to the public, either through media or legal action, that adds to the pain.”
So. You know. Justice and healing for Cardinal Tagle apparently means keeping legal action against the criminal sexual abuser out of the picture. Yep. Meet the possible new boss, who is apparently just the same as the old boss. Do you still think Filipinos would be proud of having Cardinal Tagle as a pope?
GMA 7 catholic as ever. so much for "walang kinikilingan walang pinoprotektahan" except news that are edited and entirely removed once it talks bad about priests and feasts. those biased reports on the Mideo Exhibit, transgender ms. universe, the ivory priest, the RH debate, and now this.
don't flag that slogan if you're there to protect your religion.
Tagle, you avoid taking legal action simply because you want to avoid embarrassment. Any yet, the Bacolod diocese quickly took the legal remedy to avoid the Comelec's threat. Yes, your church will always use the tools available if it doesn't cause them any inconvenience.
As long as they do not admit their complete culpability I think they will never ever deserve anybody's complete trust.
I wonder what it is about their perceived divinity that they find hard to give up? If I am not mistaken, they are supposed to treat pride as the worst of all sins, right? If it's not pride, what is it then?
It takes a bigger man to admit their mistakes. And it seems they are incapable of being the bigger man in most cases. What a pity.
Two types of sexual problems happen in the church, homosexual pedophilia and womanizing priests. The long-term solution to homosexual pedophilia abuse is preventing homosexuals from entering the seminaries, that's already being done. Tagle is speaking out of lack of experience because they have very little if any homosexual pedophilia abuse in this country (so far).
The problem is that your church saw it fit to shelter rapists by transferring them to other parishes, without removing their access to more innocent children.
Your church has tried to blame this problem on everybody but itself, from the LGBT community, to Satan, and even the god-damned hippies. Guess what? Nobody – save for diehard self-righteous fundies like you – is buying it anymore.
http://mirandaceleste.net/2011/05/24/a-worthless-…
As for your strained attempts to link your church's crimes with homosexuality, that's already been debunked.
http://www.towleroad.com/2011/05/john-jay-study-f…
Glad to see you are still the same as always, old friend – full of shit.
it's a homosexual problem. So that's what they have to fix
//it's a homosexual problem. //
Nope. http://americamagazine.org/content/all-things/joh…
"Karen Terry, the principal investigator of the study, wants to debunk myths about the reasons behind the crisis. First, she says, "homosexuality is not a cause of this sexual abuse crisis."
After conducting surveys, seeing files and interviewing clerics, Terry says the researchers found that men who self-described as gay were no more likely than heterosexuals to abuse children. Rather, this was a crime of opportunity — troubled priests had more access to boys than girls, particularly in the 1960s and '70s, when the number of cases spiked."
And before you attempt to shoot down the report, dickie, need I remind you that the report was bankrolled by YOUR church. 😉
Adult Man abusing young men …it's a homosexual problem whether you deny it or not, it is! The cases of pederasty are much smaller than Homosexual priest abusing young men. Started when they allowed homosexuals in the priesthood in droves. Now we need to kick them out and ban them
//Now we need to kick them out and ban them//
I completely agree with you there, friend. It sullies the good name of honorable men like Mychal Judge to be associated with people like you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mychal_Judge
never said that homosexuals can't lead morally or courageously heroic lives but the priesthood just ain't where they're supposed to be for obvious reasons!
when the organization fails, blame the sheep. such scapegoating leaves the church clean? no.
– they are responsible in every way from training to assigning these molesters and abusers. and homophobic as you may be, not all homosexuals are inclined to such acts. perversion is common on suppressed individuals and thanks to the church training and beliefs, this is rather enforced. plus access to potential victims. the organization plays the biggest role on this and such dilemma doesn't fall on the specific priest alone.
Judge was celibate, repeat, CELIBATE, homosexually oriented but not practicing gay… yet why set themselves up for that occasion to sin?on the one hand you ridicule the church for the abuse scandals of which the majority are homosexual in nature and yet you are angered when someone proposes the solution to keep homosexuals out of the priesthood ( of course with that we screen for pedophile wackos and men who have no control of their lust as well) What a weird way of thinking.
//on the one hand you ridicule the church for the abuse scandals of which the majority are homosexual in nature and yet you are angered when someone proposes the solution to keep homosexuals out of the priesthood ( of course with that we screen for pedophile wackos and men who have no control of their lust as well) What a weird way of thinking.//
Dude, you just consented that there are ALSO cases of heterosexual abuse earlier, meaning that to truly keep your church pure, you'd have to keep straights out too.
I totally agree with that 😀
BAN EVERYBODY!
//Judge was celibate, repeat, CELIBATE, homosexually oriented but not practicing gay… yet why set themselves up for that occasion to sin?//
Agreed. Your church's policy on celibacy (not to mention isolation) is the problem here.
//Adult Man abusing young men …it's a homosexual problem whether you deny it or not, it is!//
Somebody didn't read the report – there are also cases of girls being molested. This also comes from the investigations your own church funded.
Wow dickie, I don't bust your ass for a couple of months, and you get this sloppy?
I think you draw your gun too quickly. I said majority of cases. of course there are cases of heterosexual abuse and consensual affairs too.
//. I said majority of cases. of course there are cases of heterosexual abuse and consensual affairs too.//
1. Ergo, it's also a heterosexual problem. Why not boot them out too?
2. Consent from a child is still rape, genius.
//I think you draw your gun too quickly.//
Moar Dakka. No exceptions.
//Tagle is speaking out of lack of experience because they have very little if any homosexual pedophilia abuse in this country (so far).//
Lack of experience, kamo?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2116154.s…
So what are they doing apologizing?
I didn't say it didn't exist, I said it (homosexual pedophilia) was not rampant here. At any rate, your intelligence seems to have flown away since I was not apologizing for anything. I presumed that was the reason for his naivete an not plain denial like Mahony. Missed the point as always.
//I didn't say it didn't exist, I said it (homosexual pedophilia) was not rampant here.//
Now you're just splitting hairs.
//At any rate, your intelligence seems to have flown away since I was not apologizing for anything.//
Dickie, dickie, it appears that your command of english is slipping.
When I said THEY, and I was referring to your own CBCP apologizing. Not everything here is about you.
Petty as usual
You're a dentist tenured in St. Luke's, and you have the love and affection of a good family. Despite all these blessings, your idea of having fun is being a self-righteous asshat of a troll.
And you're not even very good at it.
Petty indeed.
"With Ratzinger vacating the papal throne, much has been made of who will be the man (and of course it must be a man) to replace him"
YUP A REAL MAN
//YUP A REAL MAN//
Define "real man."
Because hearing it from a douchebag like you, I cannot help but imagine your definition of a "real man" being somebody who doesn't hesitate to throw around homophobic or feminist slur to discredit people he disagrees with, or tries to inject his writing with testosterone-laced swagger.
Like a juvie trying to dress up a lemon with spinners, spoilers, and other cosmetic knick-knacks.
You don't know what a real man is? Tsk tsk tsk
I never said I didn't know.
I just figured it'd be polite to let you say what you think a "real man" is, before moving.
Y'know just to give you a sporting chance. It gets boring stomping your inanity right from the start,
here maybe this will help you :http://artofmanliness.com/category/a-mans-life/
Read it from start to end, dude. Also keep a copy in my Nexus 7.
It's an amusing bit of satire… http://static.tumblr.com/5fgycmz/2mglul0cz/dash_….
This can also be considered manly entertainment, btw 😉
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/thumbs/My-Littl…
Maybe this'll be useful for the education of some.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF8I_r9XT7A
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1mo1wzFiu1qbub…
Most of the devotees who'd go for this are with the masses. I am not trying to sound elitist, but… I wonder if most of his supporters could even understand english, or read between the lines. For the deeply devoted but less-informed, a priest will always be right, will always be nice and kind, and is always ordained by a just and all-good god. I highly doubt they'd even consider this grave fault. After all, it's a padre.
What wrong could a padre do?
That's always been my beef with pinoy culture.
What most people in RP think passes for kindness and wisdom actually tends to be patronizing and self-rigtheous. Honeyed words cannot hide somebody's intent to condescend.
//What wrong could a padre do?//
Damaso. 'Nuff said.
No man is without fault. Priests are just men. They're not special. They don't have special genes. And their training for priesthood leaves much to be desired.
I'd rather listen to a person who has a liberal arts education than one who studied to become a priest.
But if you are writing from a third-person point-of-view, ignore the above.