I used to support the RH Bill. I no longer do. By the end of this document, neither would you. I have not supported the RH Bill since I attended a lecture in Megamall about the truth behind it. That lecture truly enlightened me. My only hope is that this holy light of enlightenment passes through your monitor screen, into your optical nerves, and into your heart so it can touch your soul (because the soul is in the heart). My intent here is not to antagonize Pro-RH people, but to enlighten – so listen up, you narrow-minded morons. Open your minds to the real truth…
The RH Bill will put Filipinos at risk of extinction, because, at its very core, the RH Bill is an extension of a secret, global conspiracy – a western attempt – to implement principles of eugenics on unsuspecting, inferior populations in order to exclude them from the human evolutionary process, at the end of which would, at the apex, summon forth THE MASTER RACE. Anyone who failed to see this after the lecture is ignorant. I advise him or her to do his or her research, better yet, do some soul-searching to discover the real truth, because the truth is in our hearts, we just have to listen to it.
Initially, my layman’s interpretation of the RH Bill led me to think that it was just a bill meant to help educate the uninformed about ways to prevent them from fornicating their way to a very bad financial situation. My ignorant mind devised 10 simple points as to why the RH Bill was right.
I thought:
1. The minimum wage – the lowest an employer can pay an employee – of a non-agricultural Filipino worker is P404.
2. If there were 20 working days in a month (because most people don’t work on the weekend), the average minimum-wage-earning Filipino would earn around P8,000 a month.
3. Let’s call that person, Joey. If Joey, like other human beings, ate food on a regular basis, he will spend around P70/day on food (and that’s a very, very conservative assumption). There are 30 days in a month, so I guess, that would amount to P2,100 a month.
4. But if Joey had a wife that he loved, he might want to feed her too. Feeding her would cost another P2,100 a month.
5. P8,000 – P4,200 = P3,800
6. If Joey and his wife rented a home, or used electricity and bathed from time to time, the amount left from Joey’s salary would be significantly reduced. Let’s say their utility bills and rent amounted to P1800.
7. P3,800 – P1800 = P2,000
8. P2,000 is a lot of money, but I don’t think Joey and his wife should have more than 3 children, right? I mean, I don’t have children, but just by looking at one, I can safely assume that they cost more than P1,000/month. Babies need milk, diapers, toys, immunity injections, baby medicine…
9. From this I deduced that babies cost money. If babies cost money, I theorized that having more babies would cost more money. And from this data, I observed that a person who spent a lot of money on children, but didn’t earn a lot of money, would soon be broke and unable to provide for both himself and his children. Another word for this broke situation is poverty.
10. I theorized that a person can avoid being poor by making less babies. So, I thought that steps should be taken to inform people about this very little known fact. I also thought that the government should make contraceptives accessible so that people who don’t earn a lot can properly manage the little resources that they have. That’s why I supported the RH Bill.
But now I know that I was wrong. And here are some of the reasons why I know that. By the way, before I continue, I must say that this is the truth, guys. In fact, it’s more than the truth. It’s the Catholic truth, which means that it’s truer and more true than the regular truth.
I know that the issue of the RH Bill is not a religious issue, but make sure you pay attention if you want your soul to be saved. Here are some of the things I learned from the lecture I learned:
“The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that the Philippines is overpopulated.”
I agree. I, myself, have observed that the Philippine is NOT overpopulated. In fact, if you use your common sense and think about it, you will realize a few things:
1. We are not overpopulated! Look at the mountains, the jungles, the caves and the ocean floor. There are no people there!
2. If we were really overpopulated, we would have trouble travelling. But if you go to EDSA, there’s no traffic. When you ride the MRT, it’s not packed with people.
3. Students in public schools are well educated because the teacher to student ratio is very low. In fact, because of our low population the government can basically guarantee that all public school students are provided books, notebooks and other school supplies.
“The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that contraceptives are good for mankind and women.”
1. I agree, the RH Bill is not good for women because it might draw a woman away from her one, true, universal purpose – the uninterrupted production of healthy babies.
2. Furthermore, the role of women in society and the universe is to make babies. That’s why God made women. That’s their sole purpose in life. They’re not good for anything else. Ever wonder why there are no women in the clergy? Because they’re not good enough.
3. Contraceptives would allow women to enjoy the benefits of physical intimacy while maintaining a successful and productive career, if she so chooses. That is so wrong. Only men should be able to enjoy that privilege.
4. Women should get pregnant every single time they have sex and only immoral women enjoy sex without the possibility of conception. In fact, a better alternative would be for women, in general, to follow the example made by Mother Mary – to learn how to conceive without having sex.
“The RH bill will put Filipinos at risk of extinction!”
1. I agree. If we pass the RH bill, we will become extinct, like dinosaurs. The dinosaurs are all dead. If we don’t want to be extinct, we should not pass the RH Bill. I mean, do you really want to be a dinosaur?
2. In my opinion, it wouldn’t even be far-fetched to speculate that the most probable reason the dinosaurs became extinct was because they used contraceptives.
3. Population decline is just bad for nations. Just look at the countries which have a declining population – Italy, Japan and Singapore. They’re in such a bad shape. The Philippines obviously has a better economy and has a higher literacy rate than these countries. In fact, many Italians, Japanese, and Singaporeans go to the Philippines for work. That only goes to show that a decline in population is bad for the economy.
“Our population is our biggest asset!”
1. In my opinion, people should make as many babies as they can because the population is not a problem. In fact, the more babies a person has, the more assets he has. Forget real estate properties, stock investments, or Jollibee franchises. The real secret to increased wealth is babies.
2. If you have 15 babies, you’re practically wealthy because babies are assets:
2.1 If you need money, you can sell them.
2.2 If you can keep them alive until they can walk, they can one day beg for money in the streets – they’re going to have to anyway because there’s no way in hell you’ll be able to provide for all of them on your own.
3. If ever a person is not able to feed the 15 babies he made, it’s the governments fault, because it’s the governments sole responsibility to make sure that every Filipino baby is fed.
4. The best way a person can contribute to his country is to contribute to its population.
“The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that reproductive education and contraceptives will effectively reduce cases of abortion.”
1. Reproductive/contraceptive education will have no effect on the number of abortion cases. In my opinion, these abortion cases will not lessen because women will continue to have abortions regardless of whether they are pregnant or not.
2. Abortions cannot be prevented. It’s just something that women naturally do. Like shopping, for example.
“The RH Bill is wrong because it will make people participate in extra-marital and pre-marital sex.”
1. By approving the RH Bill, we as a nation, are practically encouraging our people to engage in immoral activities.
2. We must protect our moral values and reject the RH Bill. Because, currently, not a single Filipino engages in pre-marital sex or extra-marital sex. As soon as this bill is approved, Filipino people will run the streets naked and start a national orgy!
3. The root cause of extra-marital and pre-marital sex is one’s exposure to contraceptives. There is just something in contraceptives that people find very arousing.
4. In Western countries, men lure strange women into bed by showing them condoms.
5. If we ban condoms, absolutely no one would engage in pre-marital or extra-marital sex.
“The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that parents don’t teach their children about sex.”
1. The truth is that parents talk to their children about sex all the time. It’s so not awkward. The dad usually tells his children how he takes off all his clothes, does a sexy Tiger growl and makes sweet, sweet music with their mother’s body.
2. Also, a father usually advises his daughter that if she’s going to have sex with her boyfriend, she should use a condom. Sometimes the father even drives the daughter to the boyfriend’s house and waits for the couple to finish.
3. Filipino daughters don’t have sex without the father’s permission. Unwanted pregnancies or teen pregnancies never happen to Filipino girls. That’s why we do not need the RH Bill.
“The RH Bill is a conspiracy.”
1. It’s lies, all lies!
“The RH Bill is wrong because the priest said so, and priests are never wrong.”
The biggest reason why we should not pass the RH Bill is because the priests told us that we shouldn’t. As anyone should know, priests, men of the clergy, should be the authority on sexual and reproductive matters because they have the most knowledge and experience with sex and reproduction. They are true sexperts – legendary masters of erotic affairs. If you are a real Catholic, you would do everything they say, because they’re always right.
Any literary piece, be it a satire (like this particular article) or not, should evoke critical thinking, aside from its intended purpose. This way, the free exchange of ideas become more educational – we can analyze why a reader is pro or anti, how we can argue against one's valid observation, what valid points can be relayed to our representatives for possible inclusion in the bill, etc. I'm sure a lot of educated readers here would rather engage in a healthy debate of the issue, rather than resort to head-bashing, name-calling, etc. I took time to read a lot of the comments here and found them very informative and educational…
THE AUTHOR IS FOR RH BILL. I have to say this coz hints dont work with people who don't get it the first time (at least in this case). again, THE AUTHOR IS FOR RH BILL and this article is a satire. google up the word if you don't know what it means then delete your post (if possible here) then say sorry for your stupidity then post your new thoughts then promise to read and understand before you ever post comments again.
Lol. I didn't see this was posted on the humor section so forgive me for being slow and not realizing until midway what the author is trying to point out. Funny that a lot of people didn't get that and even made point per point responses.
Guys,seriously? Have you ever heard of the word "SARCASM" or SATIRE? hahahaha :)))) ano ba. The fact that this one is UNDER the HUMOR CATEGORY you should all get a CLUE!
i was kinda getting ill-tempered while reading the first few paragraphs of the article til i realized it was sarcastic. haha! nice! 😀
“The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that the Philippines is overpopulated.”
1. some places are UNINHABITABLE. why don't you try living in the ocean floor yourself?
2. do you even go outside your house? you don't know what you're talking about. no traffic in EDSA? yeah, it happens in midnight. and the MRT not packed with people? have you even ever tried riding it during the rush hour?
3. obviously, you really don't know what you're saying. education is one of our country's major problems because of the quality of education. AND the quality of education is sacrificed because of the teacher to student ratio. and FYI, not all public schools get provided with those stuff you mentioned. dream on!
“The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that contraceptives are good for mankind and women.”
2. are you God to tell us that making babies is our sole purpose in life? and what are you good for, mister? maybe you have to check yourself in the mirror and see who's not good enough.
3. that's BS. it's the 21st century! wake up! you're such a sexist.
4. that's a proof that you really are out of your mind, but you know, brains aren't everything. in fact, in your case they're nothing.
“The RH bill will put Filipinos at risk of extinction!”
you are so OA and absurd.
i don't wana read on anymore. your article is full of sh*t and nonsense. and you think you are better than women? think again – but i doubt that you do that.
Although I did find this satire humorous because it does successfully describe the lack of logic used by some anti-RH people. However, I think it would be more worthwhile to address the anti-RH people who do have logical arguments against it and use statistics to support their arguments.
http://iopposetherhbill.weebly.com/
Just as there are reasons for supporting the bill, there are reasons for opposing it. I believe these arguments are much, much more compelling than the arguments in favor of the bill, though you may not.
Either way, I think it is important that both sides are well aware of all the arguments. (Though this is not a complete list of all the reasons people oppose the bill, of course.)
Against it or for it, I guarantee you will learn something by reading what's on the site. I strongly recommend that you set aside the 20 minutes it should take you to read it, especially if you advocate informed choice and education.
Logical? Who are you kidding? I read it and it's stupid. The article basically says that contraception has led to the dissolution of the American family since the 1960s. That's the dumbest theory I have ever heard about the RH debate.
A lot of things happened since the 1960s which might have contributed to that like THE VIETNAM WAR. I would think that a dead father would cause more discord in the home than contraception. This site you introduced is cherry-picking stats and misinterpreting them on purpose towards his agenda. A bad habit he developed probably from cherry-picking the Bible and misinterpreting it towards an agenda. What a fucking liar.
Contraception is not the cause of the American sexual revolution. It was a consequence of that.
As for the rapid sexual liberation in the 60s, here are other events that may have contributed:
The Second-Wave of the Feminist movement
Hollywood
Rock and Roll
The emergence of the sex symbol/sex icons Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, Paul newman, and Elvis Presley
Pornography
Seriously, this site (http://iopposetherhbill.weebly.com/) should stop parading its stupid statistics. It shows the numbers but provides dumb reasons for the numbers. For one, the rise in stats could simply be attributed to a rise in population.
There are more divorces now than the 60's simply because there are more people now. And there are more divorces now because people are smarter now. They figured divorce is better than beating each otehr up in front of the children.
This stupid site is religious. That's all I can say about it. Its only arguments against the RH Bill are misinterpreted data and its own misinterpretation of the Bible. In other words, stupidity.
Sana yung gumawa ng site na yan (http://iopposetherhbill.weebly.com/) magbasa ng ibang libro para hindi puro Bible laman ng utak niya. Sobrang bobo na kasi eh.
I emailed the author of the article to see what his response to your comment would be. This is what he said:
"The available information indicates that contraceptives are the dominant, if not exclusive, cause of the sexual revolution and ensuing decline of human welfare in societies that adopt them as a way of life:
George Akerlof, one of the winners of the 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, writing with two colleagues, established that the great contraceptive-era decline of marriage and increase in out-of-wedlock births is a direct result of contraceptives. Akerlof and his colleagues established that contraceptives have taken away the freedom of women to say No to sexual propositions, if they hope to have any relationship with a man. “An Analysis of Out-Of-Wedlock Childbearing in the United States.” Quarterly Journal of Economics May 01, 1996| Akerlof, George A.; Yellen, Janet L.; Katz, Michael. See http://www.slate.com/id/2389/
Economics professors Jesús Fernández-Villaverde, Jeremy Greenwood and Nezih Guner have used economic modeling to establish that the vast rise in out-of-wedlock births in the contraceptive era is due to the contraceptive environment in which people live. “From Shame to Game in One Hundred Years: An Economic Model Of The Rise In Premarital Sex And Its De-Stigmatisation,” 20 February 2010: http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/4649
In the most extensive study ever undertaken of pre-marital sex, based on data from four U.S. national surveys as well as additional interviews with men and women between the ages of 18 and 23, researchers Mark Regnerus and Jeremy Uecker of the University of Texas at Austin observed the same effects as dominant features of young adult life. “Premarital Sex in America: How Young Americans Meet, Mate, and Think about Marrying” Mark Regnerus, Jeremy Uecker Oxford University Press 2011
http://www.slate.com/id/2286240/ http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2011/01/19/young…
Robert T. Michael, then professor at Stanford University, later founding dean of the Harris School of Public Policy at the University of Chicago, established that contraceptive use was responsible for the largest component of the contraceptive-era increase in divorce.
Robert T. Michael "Why Has the U.S. Divorce Rate Doubled Within the Decade?“ 1977   ;http://www.jstor.org/pss/2735005
Divorce is so devastating that divorced men, even if remarried, and children whose parents divorce, on average die earlier than people who are not touched by divorce. http://www.howardsfriedman.com/longevityproject/&…
I'm fairly certain he's not an illogical, stupid liar who only reads the Bible.
In addition, the Vietnam War has nothing to do with the dissolution of the family. There were more deaths in the Battle of Gettysburg than American deaths in the entire Vietnam War, and the American family obviously didn't start falling apart right after the Battle of Gettysburg.
Also, the size of the population has nothing to do with those statistics – a divorce rate is the current marriage to current divorce ratio. It is a percentage of marriages that end in divorce, not the number of divorces that occur.
Although I did find this satire humorous because it does successfully describe the lack of logic used by some anti-RH people. However, I think it would be more worthwhile to address the anti-RH people who do have logical arguments against it and use statistics to support their arguments.
http://iopposetherhbill.weebly.com/
Just as there are reasons for supporting the bill, there are reasons for opposing it. I believe these arguments are much, much more compelling than the arguments in favor of the bill, though you may not. Either way, I think it is important that both sides are well aware of all the arguments. (Though this is not a complete list of all the reasons people oppose the bill, of course.)
Against it or for it, I guarantee you will learn something by reading what's on the site. I strongly recommend that you set aside the 20 minutes it should take you to read it, especially if informed choice and education are your advocacies.
Great article.
Hahahaha!! Just a tip! Read the comments from bottom to top..
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explanation of a mother fuckin m0r0n.
Wasted my time in this.
I believe that are already a lot of laws existing in the Philippines concerning the welfare of women and family life! There is no need for RH Bill! I think the reason those politicians are pushing this through is that they want to earn commission from manufacturers of contraceptives! Is birth control impossible with natural means of family planning?
And should be your common sense to control yourself not have sex with your woman if she is fertile if you do not want her to get pregnant right knowing your income would not merit it right?
If you want a more luxurious life why not instead of having sex at that moment to think or do something that could give yourself extra income?
Besides are relationships all about sex that abstinence from time to time would ruin it?
Our country have indeed many problems, corruption is the root right?
Why not eliminate corruption first?
there are a lot of laws, yes. but some laws cannot anymore answer the needs of the Filipino nation. the people are constantly evolving, and so do their needs. the RH Bill is not a repetition of the current republic act concerning the welfare of women and children. if you actually read both as thoroughly, making important notes, you'll find that the RH Bill serves to strengthen the old law's programs for women and children. furthermore, in the RH Bill, there are parts that also deal with the welfare of men–this is not found in the old law for women. so, do you still think the RH Bill is completely unnecessary?
on your questions about sexual practices. you need not address them to the author. instead, ask individuals. ask the public. in writing the above article, the author did not attempt to represent the entire nation or embody its voice. the author is merely presenting his (and only his) stand with humor. he did not even state explicitly a motive to persuade his readers to take his stand. but this is all art!
about corruption. i don't disagree with that. but let's keep things simple. you write your thoughts on how the government should prioritize the elimination of corruption over the RH Bill. there isn't much room in this page to discuss another subject completely different from the article above. i personally believe our legislators can do multitasking. we pay them to do it. solve corruption, solve poverty.
lastly, there are NOT a lot of laws existing the Philippines concerning the welfare of women and family life. i can only think of one very specific law: RA 9262. it didn't even deal much about health, more of violence against women and children. our constitution however provides for this subject, but only in broad statements.
i'm not in any way defending the politicians for whatever motives they have in pushing for this RH Bill. but seriously, we will have to suggest newer laws to tighten regulations on funding of projects. just because our justice system is so flawed, it doesn't mean we should not pass new laws that can potentially fatten the politicians. we are a developing country. our law system is not perfect. we need to evolve, to change, to study the mistakes of the past in order to learn how to resolve problems step by step. we need to strengthen old laws if they don't work out as fine anymore.
True.. Common sense. I guess it aint so common then. If this common sense which you are SOOOO dependent upon is effective, then we wouldnt even be thinking about this bill in the first place. And I am with you that indeed we should be responsible enough. I have 2 siblings. I have 2 children, my brother 2, my sister 3. I only have one cousin who have 4 children. His wife’s tubes are now cut. We understand Family Planning perfectly. And I’m sure you do too (although you’re into NATURALs and thats fine). ____
Whats our common factor, you and me? You probably have college education just like me. We have an office job, internet at home and time to spare arguing in this thread. And thats just it. WE are not the problem. Its the millions of other Filipinos who have never finished high school, who could never afford private schools for their children.. The millions who think differently from us or simply have other priorities. They need more than education to Fam Planning, They need access to these things!____
Can we really convince everyone to “go natural”? Really now. Think think think. ____________
did i just replied to you? sorry, wrong post. first time here. haha!
sir, please get back to reality.
sir rhbilltrash, please get back to reality.
Politicians earning commission from contraceptives? Probably. But thrashing the bill would mean that people have been cheated on their rights of accessing the right information and choices. So you wouldnt give them this right on the basis of a few people not doing the right thing? Think about it. This bill would actually give millions of people a chance to do the right thing. That is responsible parenting and family planning.
And the population involved also includes teenagers. It is a fact that their brain isn't matte enough yet to be able to make the right decisions or even think of the consequences of what they plan on doing. Can you honestly say that inspite of this, peer pressure and hormones among other things that they will make the right decisions? For some yes. But what about the others? Should we just leave it to 'bahala na' mentality or should we help them?
I meant to say mature (on teenager's brains) not matte..
Damn, I guess we really DO need the RH Bill.
I can't believe there are these many people who are stupid enough to not get satire.
Just reading through these comments makes me lose faith in people.
I mean seriously, how can you NOT get the priest part?
To the people who don't get the article, someone should have aborted you, and they should have aborted your mothers too just for good measure.
Who do you think you are? That you're smarter that priests? They have 10 years of education before they become priests! You're so ignorant! Who are you to say that those who oppose it just take the words of their priests ? We also have our own discretion to things. But RH Bill is really just nonsense!
If people agreeing to RH Bill are really so concerned about the economy, why don't they try to DISCIPLINE themselves and try NATURAL means of birth control! That way the money of the government intended for contraceptives would be used in some other things more important like education!! There's enough budget but only a little is used for its purpose, most goes to the pockets of dirty politicians!
STOP CORRUPTION FIRST!
If priests had 10 years of education, making them more intelligent than the reader you just berated, then please tell us how many years of education a bishop has, like oscar cruz? If more, then you must think of him as extremely intelligent, right?
Are you implying that you are all smarter than all priests?
What I'm saying is the number of years of education one has doesn't necessarily make one intelligent. Education may add to one's knowledge, but that doesn't make one intelligent. Proof? Just listen to what garbage some priests and bishops are saying! If you consider that intelligence, then I respect your belief…
Stupid head, RH Bill agrees to BOTH natural and artificial methods. it is up to us to DECIDE which method to use. oh yes! most pro RH bill are disciplined. They don't want to add another ass in the community who doesn't do any good. mind you, the RH bill is just HELPING people to prevent what most people CAN'T control since sex is a BIOLOGICAL need. especially to men who just need to release it.
hey dead brain, if the Philippines ain't overpopulated, there's no need for the government to provide funds for contraceptives. Filipino people can afford buying contraceptives for their own and the government can use the funds for other projects.
once more, if the country is not overpopulated (which most people are poor who lacks good education), perhaps there will be minor corruption problems since they can't use squatters for winning the election and educated people can rule out those dirty politicians.
Only cities(not even all) are very populated, not the rest of the Philippines.
Whoah.. sex can't be controlled?
If sex can't be controlled, then you must be implying that if a person rapes somebody because he can't control his sexual desires, its ok, because it is not his will to rape, the mind can't control his body to rape somebody? Are you saying, Filipinos are sex maniacs?
You might be one of them but not many of us.
Not everyone like you can't control sex.
Please do not discriminate people, there are a lot of professionals also living in the squatters areas, who managed to get themselves through college and get a decent job and they are wise voters. When you said "lacks educated", you probably meant, people who did not go to school, because they can't afford too. Well, education can come from anywhere not just school, and even though a person has not gone through school, that does not mean he cannot distinguish which people are decent and which are not.
haha..they’re not stupid, they’re dull
Hehehehehehe…I guess a lot of people don't understand the humor behind satires and sarcasm! The comments which followed stole the thunder of the article itself… they ended up a LOT funnier! Hahahahahahahaha!
People please read and understand!!! Don't just read and comment!!! Haizzz… =/ 😉
Oh My God, seriously????
"Only men should be able to enjoy the privilege to choose a career, and women must make babies every time" – nothing more, nothing less????? WTF? I am a woman and I don't deserve to be insulted that way!
and
"Babies are assets, because if you don't have money, you can sell them, and if you can grow them, you could just send them to the streets to beg for money????" SERIOUSLY,?! You don't care for babies at all!!!!! Do you think it's that easy to just let those innocent ones go to streets, and strive on their own??? to just sell them? Are you even a Catholic? or just proclaiming to be one?? A true Christian doesn't think of ways like that! As what God said: "My ways are greater than your ways and my thoughts are superior than your thoughts."
I don't agree with the RH Bill. But I don't agree with your opinion either. You are just too shallow-minded.
Dear, the article is listed under Humor. Get a clue.
chill sister. this artic is nice! don't be so slow. lol
i won't give you clues like the other replies. imma give it straight to your face: the author is FOR RH Bill.
..chill out girl..read first the category..
IF that is your opinion, I'll not be with your side. WHY? Coz there's NO TRUTH in what you are trying to explain here. I was also thinking that you are already living in a mountain. WHY? coz you mentioned that there's no traffic in EDSA. WOW, have you been there? grabe! BUMPER TO BUMPER (ALWAYS). MRT? super dameng tao! even the aircon can't manage it. WOMAN are made to give birth, ONLY. what the hell! are you a human? or an alien? think of what you are saying. To add up, if you've been inside the campus of one of the public schools here, you'll notice that in one room there are 50 to above students. Another thing, they even start the class at 06:00 or 06:30 AM to finish at 12:00 or 1PM to give way to another batch of students in the afternoon class. GOSH! you should have gather more information before DOING or WRITING this ARTICLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
moron. this is the humor section.
the author is FOR rh bill. you just embarrassed yourself. drop the ALL CAPS AND EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!
..chill out girl..hahaha..read the category first..
Although most of your points are correct. But i'd like to point out two things that disturbed me.
first, i find your opinion on women to be inferior to men to be very wrong. Women are not merely there to make babies. Women are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves even in the absence of the opposite gender. This is not the old times when women are considered obsolete. Women are respectable and hardworking human beings. In today's society women have earned their place. Have you forgotten about the late former president Corazon Aquino? SHE IS A WOMAN. And have you forgotten about the person who brought you up, more specifically, your mother.
Second, your opinion on children is very very disturbing. I mean selling children as a means of income? need i say more? You are against the RH bill but you are just as worse the ones who support it.
but let me make it clear that everything i said were only my opinions. and i will take any criticism. thank you.
Of course the writer’s opinion about this is disturbing. He’s just being sarcastic, just so you know.
well, i conclude that Rh bill will be the best solution in the poverty in our country. If the bill becomes a law, our countrymen will be more educated and responsible. Our economy falls down and cannot sustain the needs of the people because our population grow fast. If we wait for the time that our mountains and other unoccupied places full of houses and become populated the imbalance of productivity will occur. when that happen many many people will suffer and crimes will arise.
Rh bill is also a protection for women. We all know that many Filipino are single parent. WHY???? because of lack of knowldge about sex. RH bill is not promoting abortion but responsible parenthood and population development.
Yhup that’s right,,there is no fertilization when you do the contraceptions,, and every family should do this for the future of our fam,,I’m a mother and contraception is not only pleasures but for us we do it coz we know that these things are just part of our living,,,and besides….” Asa saiyo ang paraan,,,” wla nmng side effects eh…at hndi to abortion…alam nyo nmn na mga lalake ndi makapigil,,,mhhh iiwan na babae…Shaka it helps prevent aids, HIV,and STD!!! Wag nyo babying mga babae Tao LNG Tayo noh,,,tlgng ganun wala ng makakapigil pa sa sex,,,!!!
HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU??have u read the full text of Rh bill.. if not, read first b4 you conclude.. im a PRO-RH bill, let's face the reality that many teenagers right now engage in the pre-marital sex.. y? because the're lack of knowledge about sex. And if the bill pass and becomes law, our youth with become more educated.
oh my God. are you serious? I mean.. are you being ironic or something? wow, i hope you're kidding with your arguments boy.
He is kidding buddy, obviously you didn't see this was posted in the HUMOR category.
Like !
sino ba gumawa nito? ang tanga nia ha hindi ko na tinapos bsahin hindi ko alam kung matatawa ako o maiinis sa binabasa ko. hindi daw overpopulated ang pilipinas dahil walang nakatira sa kweba. Cge ate, try mong tumira sa kweba ok?
Isa ka pa!
AY kuya, naligaw ka ata? Nababasa mo ba kung sang category toh nakapost? ha? ENTERTAINMENT? HUMOR?
before branding the author as 'tanga', think twice who between the two of you is actually acting as one? the AUTHOR who has put in a lot of effort and thinking in crafting an excellent satire (FYI skill & wit are essential in writing satirical pieces) or YOU who had immediately reacted, posted comments without even having finished reading the article?
prose isn't like news. in here, the first paragraphs are not abstracts; they don't contain all of what's in the article. you have to read through. extremes of emotions don't excuse you from doing just that.
sinong tanga ngaun?
Macchiato: if the poor guy (daniel_24) couldn't understand the simple satire he just read, do you honestly believe he will be able to comprehend anything you just said?xD
..kuya..pwede pakibasa muna kung anong category nito? and chill out, dude..
to Org59: And I knew it from the very beggining that this is basically sarcasm at its best. My point is that if this is really how they reason out to oppose the bill, then for all I care, the church should be burnt down. LOL
Thanks for clarifying that.:p
Part 4 of comment
“The RH Bill is wrong because the priest said so, and priests are never wrong.”
(Can you prove that? They are humans and humans are capable of being tempted and having mistakes)
The biggest reason why we should not pass the RH Bill is because the priests told us that we shouldn’t. As anyone should know, priests, men of the clergy, should be the authority on sexual and reproductive matters because they have the most knowledge and experience with sex and reproduction. They are true sexperts – legendary masters of erotic affairs. If you are a real Catholic, you would do everything they say, because they’re always right.
(They are not always right and I think that you're not facing the facts just the mindset illusion that life is perfect..well its not!)
OMG.. Mai part 4 pa pala comments mo..
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Part 3 of comment
“The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that reproductive education and contraceptives will effectively reduce cases of abortion.”
(It will reduce it because you can;t think of any more excuses to make when you were asked why you aborted your child "Ignorance is no excuse" )
1. Reproductive/contraceptive education will have no effect on the number of abortion cases. In my opinion, these abortion cases will not lessen because women will continue to have abortions regardless of whether they are pregnant or not.(You only have abortion when you're pregnant–what's with the "not")
(It will lessen because what is they were rape instead of abortion they can use contraceptive measures to deal with that)
2. Abortions cannot be prevented. It’s just something that women naturally do. Like shopping, for example.(Abortions are not natural they are man made )
“The RH Bill is wrong because it will make people participate in extra-marital and pre-marital sex.”
(and what's the problem with that)
1. By approving the RH Bill, we as a nation, are practically encouraging our people to engage in immoral activities.(Can you blame them for the people's urge to have sex)
2. We must protect our moral values and reject the RH Bill. Because, currently, not a single Filipino engages in pre-marital sex or extra-marital sex. As soon as this bill is approved, Filipino people will run the streets naked and start a national orgy!(That's what you think but what the gov't is doing is to make them have options in what they're planning to do so they won't regret it in the end)
3. The root cause of extra-marital and pre-marital sex is one’s exposure to contraceptives. There is just something in contraceptives that people find very arousing.(Not really, I think that exposure to porn and other arousing TV shows will set the mood and some reason is that they're in a romantic mood with there loved one)
4. In Western countries, men lure strange women into bed by showing them condoms.
(That's not true they only do that to make women safe when they have sex)
5. If we ban condoms, absolutely no one would engage in pre-marital or extra-marital sex.
(I think our population will increase sevenfold)
“The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that parents don’t teach their children about sex.”
(Parents never taught children that!)
1. The truth is that parents talk to their children about sex all the time. It’s so not awkward. The dad usually tells his children how he takes off all his clothes, does a sexy Tiger growl and makes sweet, sweet music with their mother’s body
(That is so not true ).
2. Also, a father usually advises his daughter that if she’s going to have sex with her boyfriend, she should use a condom. Sometimes the father even drives the daughter to the boyfriend’s house and waits for the couple to finish.
(Because one mistake and her daughter's life will take a turn )
3. Filipino daughters don’t have sex without the father’s permission. Unwanted pregnancies or teen pregnancies never happen to Filipino girls. That’s why we do not need the RH Bill.
(Unwanted pregnancies do happen to teenagers you're just ignorant of the facts around you)
“The RH Bill is a conspiracy.”
1. It’s lies, all lies!(It's a fact you don't want to face)
This is another reason for the RH Bill.. to prevent idiots like you from procreating. hahahah
mygawd, effort to the highest level ka! sayang kasi ekaw ang hindi naka-gets ng point ng author. pity you hunny. LMAO
Part 2 of comment
“The RH bill will put Filipinos at risk of extinction!”
(Not really I think that it will just control our population)
1. I agree. If we pass the RH bill, we will become extinct, like dinosaurs. The dinosaurs are all dead. If we don’t want to be extinct, we should not pass the RH Bill. I mean, do you really want to be a dinosaur?
(What about China they have the one child policy law and yet they're not yet extinct)
2. In my opinion, it wouldn’t even be far-fetched to speculate that the most probable reason the dinosaurs became extinct was because they used contraceptives.
(It was because of a major natural disasters like global warming)
(Or it could have been due to overpopulation of dinosaurs maybe they used up all the natural resources)
3. Population decline is just bad for nations. Just look at the countries which have a declining population – Italy, Japan and Singapore. They’re in such a bad shape. The Philippines obviously has a better economy and has a higher literacy rate than these countries. In fact, many Italians, Japanese, and Singaporeans go to the Philippines for work. That only goes to show that a decline in population is bad for the economy.
(Not really as far as the Internet is concern.. google it up and Singapore, Japan, and Italy is still in a greater shape than ours—-when it comes to literacy rate sure most of us can speak English but how well can comprehend it is the question )
“Our population is our biggest asset!”
(I think it our worst asset)
1. In my opinion, people should make as many babies as they can because the population is not a problem. In fact, the more babies a person has, the more assets he has. Forget real estate properties, stock investments, or Jollibee franchises. The real secret to increased wealth is babies.
(It will use up all our natural resources leading to a major contribution in global warming)
(Many of us are already unemployed you really want to add more people in the list)
2. If you have 15 babies, you’re practically wealthy because babies are assets:
2.1 If you need money, you can sell them.(how immoral)
2.2 If you can keep them alive until they can walk, they can one day beg for money in the streets – they’re going to have to anyway because there’s no way in hell you’ll be able to provide for all of them on your own.(that's why use contraceptives to prevent them from living a harsh life)
3. If ever a person is not able to feed the 15 babies he made, it’s the governments fault, because it’s the governments sole responsibility to make sure that every Filipino baby is fed.(not really its the parent's fault for not taking the responsibilty in making these babies…the gov't's only responsibility is to provide laws that will help you as you take responsibility for your babies)
4. The best way a person can contribute to his country is to contribute to its population.
(Not really I think that it is to help find a solution to many problems that is currently facing our country)
Part 1 of my comment
Here are the things that really make your statement really illogical
(–my comments are enclosed in parenthesis to emphasize and reason out what you stated were wrong )
“The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that the Philippines is overpopulated.”
(Hello, haven't you heard our population as of now is 9th of the world's biggest population)
I agree. I, myself, have observed that the Philippine is NOT overpopulated. In fact, if you use your common sense and think about it, you will realize a few things:
1. We are not overpopulated! Look at the mountains, the jungles, the caves and the ocean floor. There are no people there!(How can the census make a survey report if they did not included all — well I guess in the urban areas..but nevertheless it just means that the estimation of the our population number is above what is estimated)
2. If we were really overpopulated, we would have trouble travelling. But if you go to EDSA, there’s no traffic. When you ride the MRT, it’s not packed with people.
(If you go to EDSA ..there's always traffic and the trains especially during rush hour will really be packed with people…it makes me wonder where you really got you info from)
3. Students in public schools are well educated because the teacher to student ratio is very low. In fact, because of our low population the government can basically guarantee that all public school students are provided books, notebooks and other school supplies.
(nope students in public schools are not educated properly that's why many of us end up in jobs that give low wages…duh)
“The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that contraceptives are good for mankind and women.”
(Some are beneficial and some are not )
1. I agree, the RH Bill is not good for women because it might draw a woman away from her one, true, universal purpose – the uninterrupted production of healthy babies.
(yeah but sex is another form of expressing you love for one another and sometimes its just an uncontrollable feeling )
(What if there was 2 people who are really in love and below poverty…will they choose to make babies if they know that they're below poverty or will they use contraceptives to control how many they're willing to make)
2. Furthermore, the role of women in society and the universe is to make babies. That’s why God made women. That’s their sole purpose in life. They’re not good for anything else. Ever wonder why there are no women in the clergy? Because they’re not good enough.
(They are no women in the clergy…not because they're not good enough what you're saying here is that you're not really respecting the rights of women — its not they're fault but the fault of a patriarchal society)
3. Contraceptives would allow women to enjoy the benefits of physical intimacy while maintaining a successful and productive career, if she so chooses. That is so wrong. Only men should be able to enjoy that privilege.
(Another statement that defies women rights )
4. Women should get pregnant every single time they have sex and only immoral women enjoy sex without the possibility of conception. In fact, a better alternative would be for women, in general, to follow the example made by Mother Mary – to learn how to conceive without having sex.
(Its the couple who will decide whether they use contraceptives or not..not yours..its their choice)
TheWorldIwant5:
All the reasons you cited, save for some, are exactly true and are the exact sentiments of the writer, although he expressed them via a satire. But, the use of too much sarcasm should have been a clue that he is simply mocking the arguments of the pro-life advocates who vehemently oppose the bill. You may want to read the article once more…
@theWorldiWant5:
All the reasons you cited, save for some, are exactly the same views of the writer, who is obviously pro. He merely expressed them in a satire, the excessive sarcasm being a clue that he was merely mocking the silly, ilogical and senseless arguments used by those opposing the bill. You may want to read the article again…
You're in the humor section darling. The guy is obviously joking.
@theworldiwant5
While I can't fault you for your convictions and your counter-points, I do think you need to grow a sense of humor.
Read the article top to end, then kindly Google the definitions for Satire and Sarcasm.
Please do so, and you'll save both of us any further headaches.
The author wrote this as a satire to those opposed to RH Bill.
I had a laugh at the author's jokes but you beat him a hundred fold.
Hehehehe.. Rashine Palma.. you are contagious.
Lots of moron out here who doesn't have any sense of humor. This article is superb! As for those morons who are against the RH bill, you guys are probably blind. A lot of people are starving out there, and some would kill just for food. Sure overpopulation isn't the MAIN cause of our poverty, but economics isn't just about money either isn't it? There is no main cause of our poverty, it is a concoction of a lot of problems. It just so happens that the government and a lot of people foresaw that one of the causes, which is overpopulation, has a feasible solution and that is the RH bill.
You can't expect the whole population to follow the path of righteousness. Who wouldn't like to live his life as holy as possible right? Unfortunately we're all humans here who are flawed and will err no matter what kind of discipline, education, and life threatening situations you give them. We all live our lives differently. Do you honestly think all of the people who attends your church and listen to your sermon actually follows what you say? Follows the life you lead?
The church should see this as a challenge. Remember God gave humans free will. Bestow that free-will to your followers. Don't threaten them with excommunication, this is blackmailing. Not even God blackmails. This is your chance to see who are really faithful to your church.
I for one is pro-RH bill. I don't know about you guys, but being born into this world without food, education, shelter, and proper love? That's the same as abortion. It's no different. In fact it's worse. Besides, in no part did the RH-Bill include abortion among its laws. The only reason why people are resorting to abortion (and this is even BEFORE they made an RH-Bill) is because they are not educated on contraceptives.
I remember during the RH Bill debate in television, that one of the Pro-RH bill debater said this to the priests who were part of the anti-rh bill debate group:
"We have been following your rules (No RH-Bill) for a long time, and frankly it isn't effective."
Think you morons. Just because YOU, an anti-RH bill supporter, can control your urges doesn't mean the whole population of the philippines can too. Don't assume that just because you can, doesn't mean everybody does. Sex is a natural urge for all beings composed of flesh. If you can overcome your temptations, then i applaud you. BRAVO. Unfortunately not everyone can and the result? As you can see, we're now overpopulated.
This is really dangerous thinking. A child is not just another mouth to feed. You said it yourself, poverty is caused by a lot of factors. If there is a direct link between poverty and population, then explain this:
1. Japan has almost 50% more people, and a higher population density, than the Philippines. Yet, their per capita income is more than 8 times than that of the Philippines.
2. The US has 3 times the population of the Philippines. Yet, their per capita income is more than 11 times than that of the Philippines.
3. China has a population of 1.3 billion, more than 13 times than that of the Philippines. Yet China is growing at a rate of 9-10% per annum in recent years and per capita income is almost 2 times than that of the Philippines.
I think providing opportunities for people to support their families through education, capital, a level playing field is a better use of the government's time and effort, rather than try to control population.
Free will? Freedom is not being able to do whatever you want. It's being able to do what is right. You wouldn't be exercising your freedom when you choose to just follow your urges. That is what separates us from animals.
Before you even go comparing Philippines with Japan, US, and China who have established a very stable economy, go back and read our history. Our home country is colonized and, in my terms, gang raped by three nations and has just acquired its independence 60 or 70 years ago, which means in terms of handling our country we are still 'getting it'. These countries you are trying to compare us with already learned long before we were colonized the logic of controlling their population (I.e. China has the two child policy, US have the reproductive rights, and in japan they had the Reproductive Health and Rights Movement). As for us, we are still in the stages of figuring out what works and what doesn't in our economy.
Isn't it ironic, that you are comparing us with countries who ALLOWS people to use contraceptives?
As for the government responsibilities that you want them to do, they wouldn't be able to do it right now because of the recent events of global recession, natural disasters, and our long battle with corruption. What you want to achieve are long term goals, it takes years to do that. While this RH Bill is a short term goal. What do you want us to do? Wait for our government to shape up AND THEN deal with the population problem? Of course all of us wants them to fix the corruption, but really right now I think it's better to deal with this population problem first because it's easier to fix.
When I said free will, I was talking about the use of contraception. Free will is a completely different concept from freedom. Free will means no one is forcing anyone to do anything or blackmailing them for that matter for using contraception. It is the ability to make choices free from certain kinds of constraints. Now what these choices are it's up to you, this is where freedom comes in. You are free to do whatever you want with your life, choose the decision that you want, just be prepared for the consequences.
My point is simple. If people arguing for the RH Bill are saying the Philippines is poor because it is “overpopulated,” and therefore it should control population, then how come there are countries who have even larger populations than ours, but are better off than us? Isn’t the conclusion therefore – having a large population is not a hindrance to a country’s progress. Yun lang. So who is to say the Philippines is overpopulated, you? You are saying that we can’t compare the US, Japan and China to us. Well, why not? Because they are developed way ahead of us? That is precisely my point my dear!!! Ano ba ginawa nila na hindi natin magawa at di tayo maka usad? Sabi mo nga, “figure out what works and what doesn’t.” We should focus our efforts on that. If you’re saying it’s because they allow the use of contraceptives and already know how to control their population, then I say “hah ano!?” E mas marami nga tao dun e. E ang Japan nga mas maliit sa atin then mas madami pa tao dun.So the point is, why waste time and effort on something that you would know will not work or isn’t broke? As seen from US, Japan and China, population is not the problem. I would even go to say a nation’s people is its wealth. It’s a source of labor and markets, hence US, Japan and China. The problem is how to generate income and wealth, and distributing it equitably. Yes its hard, it will probably take a lifetime, but it’s more sustainable and better to start ASAP than wasting resources on trying to fix something that isn’t broke.As regards freedom, it’s being able to do what is good. You are not free to do what is not good, that would be anarchy, and that is why it precisely has consequences, as you say. You can use whatever means you see fit, therein lies your freedom, but it should always be the good. So, you are not “free” to kill. I’m sure deep down you know this, ‘cause it’s written in your conscience.
(I would even go to say a nation's wealth is its people. It's a source of labor and markets…)
I agree! Let's launch a campaign so businesses will start hiring all these unschooled, unskilled bums, barkers, beggars, so they will be empowered and become useful laborers! Moreover, let's launch another campaign to urge these poor people to support our economy by eating better by buying the products of our manufacturers, and not rely only on rice and salt, as they currently do!
I have a friend who owns a rural bank in Batangas called Bangko Kabayan. I think they are no. 5 among all rural banks in the Philippines. They implemented a microfinance lending program years ago in their bank. This allowed micro entrepreneurs in their communities to borrow around 5 thousand pesos and maybe a little more to establish micro businesses. These people are not so educated, but are industrious and enterprising. You know what? They generated employment in their communities. The repayment rates are more than 95%. It is not uncommon for them to borrow again after having paid off their loans to expand their businesses. I myself have had an employee who barely reached College level who started out as a packer in my company. Now, she is the head of my purchasing department, purchasing millions of pesos of raw materials. Don’t short change the poor or uneducated. Given the opportunities, they will surprise you with their integrity and their hard work. I believe sir, in the human spirit. A person is not just another mouth to feed.
Alam mo kung dapat hindi? kasi sila meron silang law para sa pag control ng population! Stop comparing us with countries who have laws regarding how to control their population. BAKIT hindi mo tayo icompare sa mga countries tulad ng Thailand at India na may kaparehas tayong problema at kaparehas na economic system? Binasa mo ba ung post ko? O bulag ka lang talaga? The countries you're trying to compare us with encountered these problem a LONG time ago thus they already dealt it with with their own policies on reproductive health, two child policies, and what not. Tayo wala pa tayong ganyan. KAYA pinopropose ung RH BIll.
ANong mas madaming tao dun? Alam mo ba kulang ang population ng Japan dun dahil sa SUICIDE? Napahiya lang ng onti, magsuisuicide lang. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/FG28Dh01.html
Dapat ganito din dito eh. Para mabawasan ang mga tanga.
Grabe ka naman. hindi pa ginagawa, hindi na nagwowork. Ang problemang sinasagot ng RH BIll ay hindi lang overpopulation. Tinuturo din dyan ang mga alternative contraceptives na mas safe para sa babae, tinuturo din sa mga kabataan ang sex education na hindi tinuturo ng mga magulang ng maayos. At higit sa lahat, ang gustong iayos ng RH Bill ay bawasan ang mga batang pinapanganak na inaabando ng mga magulang, nagugutom at natutulog sa kalsada, at gumigising araw araw para mamalimos sa pagkain nila.
Gusto mo bang dumagdag ang mga ganyan sa bayan natin? hindi ka na ba sawa sa mga ganyang klaseng scenario? Kaya nga natin tuturuan ng maayos ang mga kabataan eh. Tsaka turuan ang mga hindi edukado sa contraceptives tungkol dito. Anong gusto mo? dumami muna tayo habang maggenerate ng income? Ginagawa na yan ng presidente natin, wag kang magaalala, pero GAYA ng sabi mo, LIFETIME ang proseso. Etong RH Bill sandali lang naman. Edi pagkatapos natin turuan ng tama ang mga kababayan natin sa contraceptives at sex education saka tayo mag generate ng income. Gaya ng sabi ko sa post kong ikaw lang ang nagcomment, maraming problema sa economy yes, pero etong population OR MORE PRECISELY para mabawasan mga batang pinapanganak na nagugutom, namamalimos, at natutulog sa kalye, nakakita sila ng isang solusyon na madali lang gawin. RH BILL. Parang sa exams dba? sasagutin mo muna ung madaling problem at SAKA MO BABALIKAN UNG MASMAHIRAP.
Tol. Ang ibig sabihin mo freedom with responsibility and morality. Kung freedom lang sinasabi mo. Freedom lang talaga un. That's just it. FREEDOM.
My replies:
1. <Alam mo kung dapat hindi? kasi sila meron silang law para sa pag control ng population! Stop comparing us with countries who have laws regarding how to control their population. BAKIT hindi mo tayo icompare sa mga countries tulad ng Thailand at India na may kaparehas tayong problema at kaparehas na economic system? Binasa mo ba ung post ko? O bulag ka lang talaga? The countries you're trying to compare us with encountered these problem a LONG time ago thus they already dealt it with with their own policies on reproductive health, two child policies, and what not. Tayo wala pa tayong ganyan. KAYA pinopropose ung RH BIll.>
You really didn't get the point. Again, I will try to simplify through syllogisms. This is the position of those for the RH Bill:
Premise 1: Countries with large populations are poor because there are more mouths to feed of there are more people.
Premise 2: The Philippines has a large population.
Conclusion: Therefore, the Philippines is poor because it has a large population.
I am challenging Premise 1 by showing you that not all countries with large populations are poor (i.e. so I cite the US, Japan and China). Therefore, as seen from my examples, a large population is not a hindrance to a country's progress. I did not say that all countries with large populations are progressive. Those are two different things. So the cases of Thailand and India are irrelevant to the argument. I hope you follow.
So, I say, instead of focusing on trying to control the population, focus on the other stuff. Let's find out what enabled those other countries to progress. If you say its because they control their population, I'll say – but they have larger populations than we do, so it's irrelevant. And so I disagree. Let's not blame our having a large population for our country's situation. And we do have the same economic systems as they do, its called a capitalist/ free market economy. If you say they are doing it right, then I say – what is it that they are doing right? Let's emulate those things, rather than try to control population.
2.< ANong mas madaming tao dun? Alam mo ba kulang ang population ng Japan dun dahil sa SUICIDE? Napahiya lang ng onti, magsuisuicide lang. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/FG28Dh01.html
Dapat ganito din dito eh. Para mabawasan ang mga tanga.>
The Philippines has 94 million people, Japan has 128 million, so mas madami tao sa Japan. This thing about "kulang" o "sobra" ang tao, what's your basis? Please clarify. Who is to say, you?
You saying iwynn doesn't get your point? Hay nako, speak for yourself! Eh, hindi mo nga na-gets sinabi niya eh. Sure nga ako di mo binasa correctly reply niya, e bat ako na-gets ko yun? It's because hindi ka open-minded, always stick ka lang sa iyong sarili. Makinig ka din sa iba! Don't just read the phrase, but read the WHOLE sentence, dude! Caps na nga ang words in-emphasize di pa rin ma-gets, naku! Kala ko sa next reply mo dun kay iwynn naintindihan mo na pero WALA!
THINK AHEAD BEFORE YOU SPEAK (OR POST!)(OR REPLY!)(OR LIKE!).
please lang… PLEASE LANG!
Tama ka na sabihin mo na those countries (USA, JAPAN, CHINA), have population BIGGER THAN OURS YET THEY ARE WELL-DEVELOPED. What iwynn is trying to say, is that those countries (USA, JAPAN, CHINA), HAD ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THOSE BIRTH CONTROL POLICIES (RH BILL RELATED) A LONG TIME AGO SO THAT'S WHY THEY ARE NOW WELL-DEVELOPED… WEREN'T YOU THERE WHEN YOUR TEACHER TAUGHT YOU IN HISTORY CLASS THAT CHINA DID THE 2 CHILD POLICY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE POPULATION BECAUSE OF OVERPOPULATION TO REDUCE POVERTY? OR WERE YOU JUST ABSENT THAT TIME?
SO, that's why iwynn was saying to STOP COMPARING the PHILIPPINES to USA, JAPAN, CHINA, when EVEN these THREE COUNTRIES are PRACTICING REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL RELATED POLICIES!
(MAYBE YOU STILL NOT GET THIS??!! PATAWARIN!!!!!)
LET ME RE-PHRASE THIS ON A DIFFERENT COUNTRY. In USA, THE PEOPLE THERE are PRACTICING REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH POLICIES AND THEIR POPULATION IS LARGER THAN OURS BUT THEY ARE INDUSTRIALIZED, SO DO NOT COMPARE OUR COUNTRY TO THEIRS. THEY EVEN PROMOTE THE PUBLIC TO USE CONDOMS!
SO THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU REPLY TO THIS rd4773, MAKE IT TEN TIMES TO MAKE SURE……………………… OTHERWISE… WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS FOR YOU, SURELY THIS WOULD HELP YOU UNDERSTAND
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You saying iwynn doesn't get your point? Hay nako, speak for yourself! Eh, hindi mo nga na-gets sinabi niya eh. Sure nga ako di mo binasa correctly reply niya, e bat ako na-gets ko yun? It's because hindi ka open-minded, always stick ka lang sa iyong sarili. Makinig ka din sa iba! Don't just read the phrase, but read the WHOLE sentence, dude! Caps na nga ang words in-emphasize di pa rin ma-gets, naku! Kala ko sa next reply mo dun kay iwynn naintindihan mo na pero WALA!
THINK AHEAD BEFORE YOU SPEAK (OR POST!)(OR REPLY!)(OR LIKE!).
please lang… PLEASE LANG!
Tama ka na sabihin mo na those countries (USA, JAPAN, CHINA), have population BIGGER THAN OURS YET THEY ARE WELL-DEVELOPED. What iwynn is trying to say, is that those countries (USA, JAPAN, CHINA), HAD ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THOSE BIRTH CONTROL POLICIES (RH BILL RELATED) A LONG TIME AGO SO THAT'S WHY THEY ARE NOW WELL-DEVELOPED… WEREN'T YOU THERE WHEN YOUR TEACHER TAUGHT YOU IN HISTORY CLASS THAT CHINA DID THE 2 CHILD POLICY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE POPULATION BECAUSE OF OVERPOPULATION TO REDUCE POVERTY? OR WERE YOU JUST ABSENT THAT TIME?
SO, that's why iwynn was saying to STOP COMPARING the PHILIPPINES to USA, JAPAN, CHINA, when EVEN these THREE COUNTRIES are PRACTICING REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL RELATED POLICIES!
(MAYBE YOU STILL NOT GET THIS??!! PATAWARIN!!!!!)
LET ME RE-PHRASE THIS ON A DIFFERENT COUNTRY. In USA, THE PEOPLE THERE are PRACTICING REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH POLICIES AND THEIR POPULATION IS LARGER THAN OURS BUT THEY ARE INDUSTRIALIZED, SO DO NOT COMPARE OUR COUNTRY TO THEIRS. THEY EVEN PROMOTE THE PUBLIC TO USE CONDOMS!
SO THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU REPLY TO THIS rd4773, MAKE IT TEN TIMES TO MAKE SURE………………………
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3. <Grabe ka naman. hindi pa ginagawa, hindi na nagwowork. Ang problemang sinasagot ng RH BIll ay hindi lang overpopulation. Tinuturo din dyan ang mga alternative contraceptives na mas safe para sa babae, tinuturo din sa mga kabataan ang sex education na hindi tinuturo ng mga magulang ng maayos. At higit sa lahat, ang gustong iayos ng RH Bill ay bawasan ang mga batang pinapanganak na inaabando ng mga magulang, nagugutom at natutulog sa kalsada, at gumigising araw araw para mamalimos sa pagkain nila.>
You don't need to actually implement something to know if it will work or not. There are many notable things to the RH Bill such as responsible parenthood, protection of the woman, promotion of women's health. But there are many things that I oppose to, and these things are the reason it should not be passed as law.
Another issue you mentioned is contraception, most of which, based on research are abortifacients like pills and IUD. Further, it causes other social problems. I will not go into it as it is beyond the scope of this argument. I'd like to focus on the issue of alleged overpopulation of the Philippines para di nakaklito dito.
As to "bawasan ang mga batang pinapanganak na inaabando ng mga magulang, nagugutom at natutulog sa kalsada, at gumigising araw araw para mamalimos sa pagkain nila," obviously controlling population has not nothing to do with it (as in di naman mababawasan kasi nandiyan na sila). I appreciate your passionate arguments. Pero, kung gusto mo sila mabawasan, give jobs and income opportunities to their parents so they can properly take care of their families. Maybe you mean para di madagdagan, like you mentioned below pa.
4. <Gusto mo bang dumagdag ang mga ganyan sa bayan natin? hindi ka na ba sawa sa mga ganyang klaseng scenario? Kaya nga natin tuturuan ng maayos ang mga kabataan eh. Tsaka turuan ang mga hindi edukado sa contraceptives tungkol dito. Anong gusto mo? dumami muna tayo habang maggenerate ng income? Ginagawa na yan ng presidente natin, wag kang magaalala, pero GAYA ng sabi mo, LIFETIME ang proseso. Etong RH Bill sandali lang naman. Edi pagkatapos natin turuan ng tama ang mga kababayan natin sa contraceptives at sex education saka tayo mag generate ng income. Gaya ng sabi ko sa post kong ikaw lang ang nagcomment, maraming problema sa economy yes, pero etong population OR MORE PRECISELY para mabawasan mga batang pinapanganak na nagugutom, namamalimos, at natutulog sa kalye, nakakita sila ng isang solusyon na madali lang gawin. RH BILL. Parang sa exams dba? sasagutin mo muna ung madaling problem at SAKA MO BABALIKAN UNG MASMAHIRAP.>
Well I am against contraceptives for various reasons, one of which is that it is immoral. I won't go into that, 'cause it will probably confuse the issue. It’s a totally different argument.
Meantime, what I am trying to say is kung gusto mo bawasan ang mahihirap, then let's provide employment and opportunities for them through education, training and access to capital. It's hard but it's not impossible and many NGO's are able to do this in smaller communities.
Moreover, attempts to control population have backfired and has created long term problems. Read up on the population implosion problem. Consider these:
1. Starting this year, France's government has been awarding mothers of each new baby 800 euros, almost $1,000.
2. In Italy, the government is giving mothers of a second child 1,000 euros.
3. South Korea has expanded tax breaks for families with young children and is increasing support for day-care centers for working women.
4. Last year parliament members in Singapore called on the government to do more to keep Cupid and the stork busy.
5. Japanese prefectures have been organizing hiking trips and cruises for single people – dating programs to halt the baby bust. Japanese singles are often called "parasites" because, when they retire, they have no children paying into the national pension system or helping out otherwise.
6. Estonia's President Arnold Rüütel last year in a television address urged the country's 1.4 million residents to produce more babies, or face a rapidly declining population.
7. British authorities also worry about the fertility rate. The Office of National Statistics says fertile women will need to have three children to keep Britain's population at 59 million into the future.
8. Even China, despite its 1.3 billion people, is reportedly considering revising its "one child" rule since its fertility rate of 1.39 is creating an older population – and social and economic problems.
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5. <Tol. Ang ibig sabihin mo freedom with responsibility and morality. Kung freedom lang sinasabi mo. Freedom lang talaga un. That's just it. FREEDOM.>
Medyo I don't get your point here. I'll try to explain my point na lang.
Freedom isn’t being able to do what you want, it’s being able to do what is right and good. You are not free to do what is NOT good, that would be anarchy, and that is precisely why it has consequences. You can however use whatever means to do what is right as you see fit, THEREIN lies your freedom (as you say freedom of choice), but it should always be for the good. Again, you are free to choose what is good and right. You are not free to choose what is bad, in the same way you are not “free” to kill so to speak. You are not exercising your freedom if you do so. I’m sure deep down you know this, ‘cause it’s written in our conscience.
I can see you are young and I admire your passion. But I respectfully suggest – don’t argue for the sake of argument. Argue to seek the truth. Be careful with what you are saying. Pag isipan mo mabuti. Study the issue first before you take a position on it. You have an opportunity to contribute to society through this way.
Oh god this is a classic case of 'if I were president I would do this'. I'm not about to change my position on the RH Bill on the facts that you presented. Regarding the countries You're trying to present, I still don't see the sense you're trying to make in comparing us with these countries because they wouldn't have implemented anything related to reproductive health movements and laws if they didn't encounter problems with population in the first place.
Gaya ng sabi ko dati, our economic problem is a CONCOCTION of problems unless you're not reading my point. And that it just so happens that ONE OF THE CAUSES, overpopulation, has a feasible and immediate solution and that is the RH Bill. If things were different and that one of the problem which is more prominent than overpopulation has a feasible solution, say Corruption and deal it with capital punishment, then I would have argued for that instead.
On the population of the Philippines. Sorry man, I'm looking at people living in the slums everywhere. I don't see the logic why we AREN'T populated.
Regarding on the population on japan. Do your research, we've been discussing that on our economics class. They have the Constrictive pyramid population – A population pyramid showing lower numbers or percentages of younger people. Japan has a greying population which means that people are generally older, because their younger generations are committing suicide once they face embarrassment.
No need to be sarcastic if you didn't get my point. It's ok. Whether they did implement measures to control their population is irrelevant, the point is they still have a larger population than we do, and yet they are better off. So that unequivocally proves that population is not a hindrance to progress. So it cannot be a "cause" of our economic problems. That simple.
Again with the "over" population thing. Before you say you will solve the "problem," I was saying it is NOT even a problem. Di mo pa rin nasasagot iyun tanong, ilan ba talaga dapat ang Pilipino sa mundo? Who has the right to say and on what basis?
Dahil madami ang tao sa slums, at mahirap sila, di ibig sabihin may direct causality, na mahirap sila kasi ang dami nila. It's too simplistic to think that there is an immediate relation.
Actually, I am a graduate of Political Economics, so I do know how to research and interpret data, and I also know how not to read too much into it. The reason they have an inverted pyramid type of population is not suicide. With due respect, the idea is quite preposterous and bordering on the ridiculous as it would mean millions would have to commit suicide. In reality it was only a little over 32,000 in 2009. It's because they do not want to have kids.
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>No need to be sarcastic if you didn't get my point. It's ok. Whether they did implement measures to control their population is irrelevant, the point is they still have a larger population than we do, and yet they are better off. So that unequivocally proves that population is not a hindrance to progress. So it cannot be a "cause" of our economic problems. That simple.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Again with the "over" population thing. Before you say you will solve the "problem," I was saying it is NOT even a problem. Di mo pa rin nasasagot iyun tanong, ilan ba talaga dapat ang Pilipino sa mundo? Who has the right to say and on what basis?<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Dahil madami ang tao sa slums, at mahirap sila, di ibig sabihin may direct causality, na mahirap sila kasi ang dami nila. It's too simplistic to think that there is an immediate relation. <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Actually, I am a graduate of Political Economics, so I do know how to research and interpret data, and I also know how not to read too much into it. The reason Japan has an inverted pyramid type of population is not its suicide rate. With due respect, the idea is quite preposterous and bordering on the ridiculous as it would mean millions would have to commit suicide. In reality, a little over 32,000 committed suicide in 2009, not millions. It's because they do not want to have kids. The same thing will eventually happen to us if we have the attitude that more kids mean more mouths to feed.
More people, more efficient? Not necessarily. You want to give them jobs? why don't you send them all back to the provinces and work for farms? Philippines is of course, and agricultural country. Dati tayo nag eexport ng rice, ngayon bumibili tayo ng imported.
On what you want regarding generating more income for the country, I never said it was a bad idea, what I said was we can do that. But not now, because again I say we just went through a global recession, we're preparing for the costs of the rainy season, and we have an international debt to pay and corruption to fix. I once asked my professor about that health care program that you want, you know what he said? "we can't yet, we don't have the resources. But it would be in the future once we fix our present problem".
Not to mention the free education people receive abroad except for college. Again i wouldn't go that far yet, kasi nga hindi pa naten kaya gawin yan ngayon.
I've seen this argument of anti-rh bill people who says 'give them jobs, then they will stop fornicating'. There are simply couples who doesn't love each other that much to abandon their kids. Regarding on what you said that you don't need to implement it to see it doesn't work, that's appeal to ignorance! How about this, Does giving them jobs GUARANTEE they'll stop having pre-marital sex? Does giving them jobs GUARANTEE they won't abandon the kids?
No it doesn't. But educating them on the use of contraceptives or sex education at least guarantees that they will be informed of ways to prevent pregnancies. No pregnancy? No abortion. and no kids born into a harsh world. Period.
I'll tell you a little story, eighteen years ago there was this seventeen year old girl who wanted to study but couldn't because they didn't have the money. Using her singing skills, she went ahead and auditioned for bands and other gigs in hopes of getting employed and saving enough money for college. One day, she nearly got lost on her way to the audition. She asked for directions from this man who was kind enough to lend her a hand and accompanied her to the place. Turns out the man was one of the judge and she ended up getting the part as the singer of their band. After this they got a gig in Singapore. Of course she fell in love with this man, but there were red flags everywhere like his heavy hands and cheating tendencies. But she was in Singapore for christ's sake, she didn't know what to do and she was definitely afraid of the man. Then she got pregnant. Now she couldn't leave anymore, but they tried to make it work. Until eight years later she got fed up when he cheated on her during her pregnancy. Not to mention he blatantly ignored her dreams of studying and told her 'you're working now anyway, so what's the use?'. She abandoned the first-born with her father's family, married and american then went to the USA. See? They had jobs but they abandoned me. Now what if they had been more informed and used contraceptives? Then I wouldn't be living this shitty life in the first place.
Hehe, again be careful with what you are saying and be sure you have a point.
What do you mean by "more people, more efficient?" I don't remember saying anything like that, or it may be out of context. I only said a large population is not a hindrance to a country's progress.
Our economy is mainly a driven by the service sector, being responsible for more than half of it. Agriculture only accounts for less than 15% of the economy. The rest is accounted for by industry. But I don't get the relevance of this point.
I also don't get your point in the 2nd paragraph. Whether we are in a global recession, or international debt, and more so the rainy season, doesn't mean our economy will not recover, more so doesn't mean we should control population. Again, you're so focused on the population being a "problem" and a cause of our economic woes, even problems in health care or education. Think long and hard about what you're saying. With due respect, it really doesn’t make sense.
As regards "you don't need to implement it to see it doesn't work," it's actually an appeal to reason.
Giving jobs will not guarantee the poor from abandoning their kids, but it will give them a reason not to do so. In the same way as educating them on the use of contraceptives or sex education will not guarantee them not having kids, and further not abandoning them if they do. There are no "guarantees" here.
As to your last paragraph, I understand now your passion on the issue. It would certainly be hard to try to reason with you since you are ultimately compromised by your current personal circumstances. Nonetheless, I will respect your position. Maybe we should just leave the debate at that.
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Hehe, again be careful with what you are saying and be sure you have a point. <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>What do you mean by "more people, more efficient?" I don't remember saying anything like that, or it may be out of context. I only said a large population is not a hindrance to a country's progress.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Our economy is mainly a driven by the service sector, being responsible for more than half of it. Agriculture only accounts for less than 15% of the economy. The rest is accounted for by industry. But I don't get the relevance of this point.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>I also don't get your point in the 2nd paragraph. Whether we are in a global recession, or international debt, and more so the rainy season, doesn't mean our economy will not recover, more so doesn't mean we should control population. Again, you're so focused on the population being a "problem" and a cause of our economic woes, even problems in health care or education. Think long and hard about what you're saying. With due respect, it really doesn’t make sense.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>As regards "you don't need to implement it to see it doesn't work," it's actually an appeal to reason. <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Giving jobs will not guarantee the poor from abandoning their kids, but it will give them a reason not to do so. In the same way as educating them on the use of contraceptives or sex education will not guarantee them not having kids, and further not abandoning them if they do. There are no "guarantees" here.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>As to your last paragraph, I understand now your passion on the issue. It would certainly be hard to try to reason with you since you are ultimately compromised by your current personal circumstances. Nonetheless, I will respect your position. Maybe we should just leave the debate at that.
Then there's my cousin. Identical story. But unlike me whose father was guilty enough to at least support my education, she and her other siblings were completely forgotten and she had to stop going to college and work at a call center at the ripe age of 17. She now lives on her own in an apartment near SM North Edsa, occasionally asking me for money when her salary doesn't make it to the cut. Our parents had jobs, but what happened? We're lucky enough to eat and study, but what of the emotional distress we had to go through? NOW what about the other kids who weren't as lucky as we were? Honestly I would've rather they aborted me or at least have used a contraceptive if I had known they were going to abandon me anyway. I've had my own share of suicidal attempts, and imagine in my situation I have the resource to study and eat three times a day. What about the other kids?
And that my friend, is the reason I support the RH Bill. I respect your opinion. But we all have different opinions. You say ignore the fact that we are overpopulated and generate incomes. I say implement the RH Bill to educated these people on contraceptives so that cases like mine and worse are avoided AND THEN generate incomes.
I'm using my freedom as I deem it appropriate. I don't need anyone to lecture me on that one. you have a different philosophical way of viewing it, and so do I.
i'm sorry, but based on what I observed and my own experience, no amount of work and religious barriers will stop people from having sex with each other because it's a natural urge. People will keep falling in love, and in the end because they 'think' they love each other they'll have sex. Lucky are those who didn't get pregnant or did but their partner stayed faithful, unlucky are those who did and doesn't have the resources to feed their kids. Now imagine these kids who doesn't have parents, has no guidance, and encounter these natural urges when they hit puberty? the cycle just repeats itself.
Since they'll just end up doing it anyway, and by the way pre-marital sex has been a problem before the RH Bill was even thought of, I say we teach them the importance of contraceptives.
I've already stated everything why I believe there should be an RH Bill, not to persuade you but to defend my stand. So I suggest you stop persuading me because I won't change it.
My eyes have seen enough suffering already. Let there be an RH Bill.
I admire you're using personal experiences to support your stance! Makes your arguments more credible and persuasive, as opposed to merely using studies done in other countries whose cultures and other attendant circumstances are different from ours.
Unfortunately, some anti people will just shrug off their shoulders and continue to blindly obey what their faith tells them! Too bad…
Thank you so much. This is why I hate it when people oppose the RH Bill ESPECIALLY when they don't know what it feels like. God I feel like such a whiner. But that's the truth, and if it feels horrible living with someone else's family even if I could eat and sleep properly, what about those kids who doesn't have someone who's heart is big enough to at least pose as parents for them?
I see the RH Bill as a step to a better tomorrow! Putting issues of corruption aside, I think the overall benefit of the RH Bill will save a lot of future generations from heartaches. It's because of my personal upbringing that my hopes for the RH Bill is that no more children will be born into this world abandoned and hungry.
I just hope people will see it from the point of view of these kids, because in the end it's not the couple or the government who will suffer the most, it's these children.
I agree! Too bad some people just look at the bill based on their blind faith and the twisted lies being spread as gospel truth, and totally ignore the good that the bill's social programs will bring to the poor segment of our society!
On a side note and I know that this is totally none of my business, I'm glad you were able to overcome your past and make a headway. Although you were fortunate enough to have caring grandparents, that was no guarantee that you would have made it, if not for your strong resolve to have a good life despite the odds. So, keep your head held high cause you are somebody others should emulate!
Then let’s respect each other’s position then and leave it at that for the meantime. Just on a positive note, be assured that God loves you immensely. He has a beautiful plan for each one. It’s difficult to explain, but have faith that all your current challenges or sufferings are for the good. If you are open to it, His plan will be clearer to you and you will have a fulfilling life. Good luck friend on your endeavors.
Although, all I'm saying, is that be careful with what you are saying. Look at your logic. Actually just because it just so happens what a person is saying is in line with the Catholic Church's position doesn't he is following it out of "blind faith." What he may be citing is based on natural moral laws, of which religion is irrelevant. Kahit wala ka relihiyon, kahit di ka pa naniniwala sa Diyos, alam mo ang tama sa mali. You can determine this solely with your intellect and reasoning. For instance, I'm pretty sure we have no right to determine who should be born or who should not. Further, I know that nothing is predetermined in this world, such that a baby who is born poor doesn't mean he will be poor the rest of his life or will not live a happy and fulfilling life. So who are we to deny him that chance? A priest didn't tell me that. Hell I haven't even gone to mass for years. My brain told me that. Though it may seem obvious on the surface, what you see as something helpful to society may not actually be. Do some research, and use your noggins, you are capable of finding the truth. Di kailangan maki-uso 'cause a lot of people are pro RH Bill. All I'm saying. Hehe
All I'm saying, is that be careful with what you are saying. Look at your logic. Actually just because it just so happens what a person is saying is in line with the Catholic Church's position doesn't mean he is following it out of "blind faith." What he may be citing is based on natural moral laws, of which religion is irrelevant. Kahit wala ka relihiyon, kahit di ka pa naniniwala sa Diyos, alam mo ang tama sa mali. You can determine this solely with your intellect and reasoning. For instance, I'm pretty sure we have no right to determine who should be born or who should not. Further, I know that nothing is predetermined in this world, such that a baby who is born poor doesn't mean he will be poor the rest of his life or will not live a happy and fulfilling life. So who are we to deny him that chance? A priest didn't tell me that. Hell I haven't even gone to mass for years. My brain told me that. Though it may seem obvious on the surface, what you see as something helpful to society may not actually be. Do some research, and use your noggins, you are capable of finding the truth. Di kailangan maki-uso 'cause a lot of people are pro RH Bill. All I'm saying
In addition, I think that during the Treaty of Economic Cooperation and Development, our previous President Ferdinand Marcos should've followed China's course of action by stabilizing their economy first before opening their country to foreign investors. Because of what Marcos did, although we did become a newly industrialized country and increase our income in the Service sector, we are now dying to foreign competition. More problems for us apparently. But that's a completely different economic problem which is another cause of our poverty.
As for the service sector, I think we focused too much on it that we have completely forgotten the agricultural sector, which in my opinion will provide more income to the country through exports. The driving factor why the service sector is doing fine is because of the salary. More and more people are getting degrees in HRM, Nursing, Engineering, Medicine, Law because they know the country values these courses that will contribute to the service sector. This then now creates an imbalance where the ratio of employers to fresh graduates have become 1:10. So I guess this is where your argument comes in of giving them jobs which is great. But my point here is, the jobs we should give must be those that benefit the country overall. Let's not forget the industrial sector as well. Only 15% of the total labor force comprises the industrial sector. Mining and quarrying, manufacturing, electricity, gas and water, construction, these are all very very important if we want to improve our country, so don't you think this sector needs more labor force?
You said in your previous post that you could even go and consider our population as our labor force. I therefore concluded you were saying that more people would mean it's more efficient. And since you believe that more people = more labor force and using what I know about our economy, I think that the best way to give jobs and generate more income? The agricultural sector since we already have the resources. Or better yet the industrial sector.
Since you don't think we're overpopulated, I'll drop my arguments regarding countries whom you think are overpopulated and are doing fine. Because I'll just keep pointing it out to you that they're doing fine now because they dealt with 'overpopulation' a long time ago.
Japan isn't overpopulated. It's a beautiful country with a stable economy whose countrymen are very nationalistic and therefore prioritizes what is made in their country instead of foreign products. Because of this they're a very rich country. In fact, they're so rich, they don't need to go abroad (like most of our labor force does) to earn enough money for themselves. Why would people who live in a rich country opt to have no kids at all when they have nothing to worry about? Which means the problem isn't the low birth rates, it's the high suicide rates. http://japanfocus.org/site/view/2507
By the way, I don't see any squatter's area there.
Look I know what you're trying to get at, which is 'we're not overpopulated so this RH Bill is just a waste of money, instead let's just spend our taxes in generating more jobs then there will be no more poor people'. But I do think we're overpopulated, so I do think we need this RH Bill. This is just repeating my argument. Long term: giving jobs. Short term: contraceptive education.
Sir unless you were born poor, or with irresponsible parents, or abandoned altogether, I wouldn't vouch for your argument. I can see you have that 'glass is half full' disposition in life. If all of them think like you do, they wouldn't stay dirt poor. But not all of us do. This is what I've been saying in the first post. Not all of us think and live our lives the same. You can't predict what people would do with their lives, they'll live it as they think they should. That's how we learn don't we? by figuring it out all on our own.
Nope. giving them jobs won't guarantee it will give them a reason not to abandon their kids. Life doesn't work that way. You forget that humans are essentially very emotional creatures. For a human life is basically being happy. If you're not happy, you'll do what it takes to be happy. We use reason and logic to see if the action is right, but it all boils down to whether you're happy or not. It's all psychology.
Nope. I don't think my argument is being compromised. In fact it strengthens it, because no amount of statistical data and education will teach you what it is like when you are born to very irresponsible parents.
I do research. In a different context from you though.
so you see, Hindi ako nakikiuso. I just see life and the Philippines differently from you. You don't see it overpopulated, but a lot of us do. I don't see children as another mouth to feed, I see them as the future of our country like you do. Except I believe that if we want our country to improve, you have to give quality life to the future generation. People today resort to killing, stealing, etc just to satisfy their basic need in life. I know that in your idea, giving them jobs will stop them from doing this and give them reason not to abandon their 'responsibility'. Again I say, you can't predict people. So my point is, since we can't predict them anyway let's lessen the likelihood of another child born into a harsh world. Then give them jobs.
And by the way. Seeing you already are a graduate of economics, why don't you go to the government and plead your case there instead of posting your brilliant arguments here? You're more qualified than I am anyway. I'm only an advertising student. But I still stand by my argument.
Oh god this is a classic case of 'if I were president I would do this'. I'm not about to change my position on the RH Bill on the facts that you presented. Regarding the countries You're trying to present, I still don't see the sense you're trying to make in comparing us with these countries because they wouldn't have implemented anything related to reproductive health movements and laws if they didn't encounter problems with population in the first place.
Gaya ng sabi ko dati, our economic problem is a CONCOCTION of problems unless you're not reading my point. And that it just so happens that ONE OF THE CAUSES, overpopulation, has a feasible and immediate solution and that is the RH Bill. If things were different and that one of the problem which is more prominent than overpopulation has a feasible solution, say Corruption and deal it with capital punishment, then I would have argued for that instead.
On the population of the Philippines. Sorry man, I'm looking at people living in the slums everywhere. I don't see the logic why we AREN'T populated.
Regarding on the population on japan. Do your research, we've been discussing that on our economics class. They have the Constrictive pyramid population – A population pyramid showing lower numbers or percentages of younger people. Japan has a greying population which means that people are generally older, because their younger generations are committing suicide once they face embarrassment.
More people, more efficient? Not necessarily. You want to give them jobs? why don't you send them all back to the provinces and work for farms? Philippines is of course, and agricultural country. Dati tayo nag eexport ng rice, ngayon bumibili tayo ng imported.
On what you want regarding generating more income for the country, I never said it was a bad idea, what I said was we can do that. But not now, because again I say we just went through a global recession, we're preparing for the costs of the rainy season, and we have an international debt to pay and corruption to fix. I once asked my professor about that health care program that you want, you know what he said? "we can't yet, we don't have the resources. But it would be in the future once we fix our present problem".
Not to mention the free education people receive abroad except for college. Again i wouldn't go that far yet, kasi nga hindi pa naten kaya gawin yan ngayon.
Then there's my cousin. Identical story. But unlike me whose father was guilty enough to at least support my education, she and her other siblings were completely forgotten and she had to stop going to college and work at a call center at the ripe age of 17. She now lives on her own in an apartment near SM North Edsa, occasionally asking me for money when her salary doesn't make it to the cut. Our parents had jobs, but what happened? We're lucky enough to eat and study, but what of the emotional distress we had to go through? NOW what about the other kids who weren't as lucky as we were? Honestly I would've rather they aborted me or at least have used a contraceptive if I had known they were going to abandon me anyway. I've had my own share of suicidal attempts, and imagine in my situation I have the resource to study and eat three times a day. What about the other kids?
And that my friend, is the reason I support the RH Bill. I respect your opinion. But we all have different opinions. You say ignore the fact that we are overpopulated and generate incomes. I say implement the RH Bill to educated these people on contraceptives so that cases like mine and worse are avoided AND THEN generate incomes.
I'm using my freedom as I deem it appropriate. I don't need anyone to lecture me on that one. you have a different philosophical way of viewing it, and so do I.
More people, more efficient? Not necessarily. You want to give them jobs? why don't you send them all back to the provinces and work for farms? Philippines is of course, and agricultural country. Dati tayo nag eexport ng rice, ngayon bumibili tayo ng imported.
On what you want regarding generating more income for the country, I never said it was a bad idea, what I said was we can do that. But not now, because again I say we just went through a global recession, we're preparing for the costs of the rainy season, and we have an international debt to pay and corruption to fix. I once asked my professor about that health care program that you want, you know what he said? "we can't yet, we don't have the resources. But it would be in the future once we fix our present problem".
Not to mention the free education people receive abroad except for college. Again i wouldn't go that far yet, kasi nga hindi pa naten kaya gawin yan ngayon.
I've seen this argument of anti-rh bill people who says 'give them jobs, then they will stop fornicating'. There are simply couples who doesn't love each other that much to abandon their kids. Regarding on what you said that you don't need to implement it to see it doesn't work, that's appeal to ignorance! How about this, Does giving them jobs GUARANTEE they'll stop having pre-marital sex? Does giving them jobs GUARANTEE they won't abandon the kids?
No it doesn't. But educating them on the use of contraceptives or sex education at least guarantees that they will be informed of ways to prevent pregnancies. No pregnancy? No abortion. and no kids born into a harsh world. Period.
I'll tell you a little story, eighteen years ago there was this seventeen year old girl who wanted to study but couldn't because they didn't have the money. Using her singing skills, she went ahead and auditioned for bands and other gigs in hopes of getting employed and saving enough money for college. One day, she nearly got lost on her way to the audition. She asked for directions from this man who was kind enough to lend her a hand and accompanied her to the place. Turns out the man was one of the judge and she ended up getting the part as the singer of their band. After this they got a gig in Singapore. Of course she fell in love with this man, but there were red flags everywhere like his heavy hands and cheating tendencies. But she was in Singapore for christ's sake, she didn't know what to do and she was definitely afraid of the man. Then she got pregnant. Now she couldn't leave anymore, but they tried to make it work. Until eight years later she got fed up when he cheated on her during her pregnancy. Not to mention he blatantly ignored her dreams of studying and told her 'you're working now anyway, so what's the use?'. She abandoned the first-born with her father's family, married and american then went to the USA. See? They had jobs but they abandoned me. Now what if they had been more informed and used contraceptives? Then I wouldn't be living this shitty life in the first place.
Oh god this is a classic case of 'if I were president I would do this'. I'm not about to change my position on the RH Bill on the facts that you presented. Regarding the countries You're trying to present, I still don't see the sense you're trying to make in comparing us with these countries because they wouldn't have implemented anything related to reproductive health movements and laws if they didn't encounter problems with population in the first place.
Gaya ng sabi ko dati, our economic problem is a CONCOCTION of problems unless you're not reading my point. And that it just so happens that ONE OF THE CAUSES, overpopulation, has a feasible and immediate solution and that is the RH Bill. If things were different and that one of the problem which is more prominent than overpopulation has a feasible solution, say Corruption and deal it with capital punishment, then I would have argued for that instead.
On the population of the Philippines. Sorry man, I'm looking at people living in the slums everywhere. I don't see the logic why we AREN'T populated.
Regarding on the population on japan. Do your research, we've been discussing that on our economics class. They have the Constrictive pyramid population – A population pyramid showing lower numbers or percentages of younger people. Japan has a greying population which means that people are generally older, because their younger generations are committing suicide once they face embarrassment.
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>My replies:<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>1. <Alam mo kung dapat hindi? kasi sila meron silang law para sa pag control ng population! Stop comparing us with countries who have laws regarding how to control their population. BAKIT hindi mo tayo icompare sa mga countries tulad ng Thailand at India na may kaparehas tayong problema at kaparehas na economic system? Binasa mo ba ung post ko? O bulag ka lang talaga? The countries you're trying to compare us with encountered these problem a LONG time ago thus they already dealt it with with their own policies on reproductive health, two child policies, and what not. Tayo wala pa tayong ganyan. KAYA pinopropose ung RH BIll.><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>You really didn't get the point. Again, I will try to simplify through syllogisms. This is the position of those for the RH Bill: <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Premise 1: Countries with large populations are poor because there are more mouths to feed of there are more people.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Premise 2: The Philippines has a large population.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Conclusion: Therefore, the Philippines is poor because it has a large population.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>I am challenging Premise 1 by showing you that not all countries with large populations are poor (i.e. so I cite the US, Japan and China). Therefore, as seen from my examples, a large population is not a hindrance to a country's progress. I did not say that all countries with large populations are progressive. Those are two different things. So the cases of Thailand and India are irrelevant to the argument. I hope you follow. <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>So, I say, instead of focusing on trying to control the population, focus on the other stuff. Let's find out what enabled those other countries to progress. If you say it’s because they control their population, I'll say – but they have larger populations than we do, so it's irrelevant. And so I disagree. Let's not blame our having a large population for our country's situation. And we do have the same economic systems as they do, it’s called a capitalist/ free market economy. If you say they are doing it right, then I say – what is it that they are doing right? Let's emulate those things, rather than try to control population.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>2.< ANong mas madaming tao dun? Alam mo ba kulang ang population ng Japan dun dahil sa SUICIDE? Napahiya lang ng onti, magsuisuicide lang. <a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/FG28Dh01.html" rel="nofollow"> <a href="http://;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/FG28Dh01.html” target=”_blank”>;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/FG28Dh01.html <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Dapat ganito din dito eh. Para mabawasan ang mga tanga.><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>The Philippines has 94 million people, Japan has 128 million, so mas madami tao sa Japan. This thing about "kulang" o "sobra" ang tao, what's your basis? Please clarify. Who is to say, you?<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>3. <Grabe ka naman. hindi pa ginagawa, hindi na nagwowork. Ang problemang sinasagot ng RH BIll ay hindi lang overpopulation. Tinuturo din dyan ang mga alternative contraceptives na mas safe para sa babae, tinuturo din sa mga kabataan ang sex education na hindi tinuturo ng mga magulang ng maayos. At higit sa lahat, ang gustong iayos ng RH Bill ay bawasan ang mga batang pinapanganak na inaabando ng mga magulang, nagugutom at natutulog sa kalsada, at gumigising araw araw para mamalimos sa pagkain nila.> <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>You don't need to actually implement something to know if it will work or not. There are many notable things to the RH Bill such as responsible parenthood, protection of the woman, promotion of women's health. But there are many things that I oppose to, and these things are the reason it should not be passed as law. <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Another issue you mentioned is contraception, most of which, based on research are abortifacients like pills and IUD. Further, it causes other social problems. I will not go into it as it is beyond the scope of this argument. I'd like to focus on the issue of alleged overpopulation of the Philippines para di nakaklito dito.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>As to "bawasan ang mga batang pinapanganak na inaabando ng mga magulang, nagugutom at natutulog sa kalsada, at gumigising araw araw para mamalimos sa pagkain nila," obviously controlling population has not nothing to do with it (as in di naman mababawasan kasi nandiyan na sila). I appreciate your passionate arguments. Pero, kung gusto mo sila mabawasan, give jobs and income opportunities to their parents so they can properly take care of their families. Maybe you mean para di madagdagan, like you mentioned below pa. <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>4. <Gusto mo bang dumagdag ang mga ganyan sa bayan natin? hindi ka na ba sawa sa mga ganyang klaseng scenario? Kaya nga natin tuturuan ng maayos ang mga kabataan eh. Tsaka turuan ang mga hindi edukado sa contraceptives tungkol dito. Anong gusto mo? dumami muna tayo habang maggenerate ng income? Ginagawa na yan ng presidente natin, wag kang magaalala, pero GAYA ng sabi mo, LIFETIME ang proseso. Etong RH Bill sandali lang naman. Edi pagkatapos natin turuan ng tama ang mga kababayan natin sa contraceptives at sex education saka tayo mag generate ng income. Gaya ng sabi ko sa post kong ikaw lang ang nagcomment, maraming problema sa economy yes, pero etong population OR MORE PRECISELY para mabawasan mga batang pinapanganak na nagugutom, namamalimos, at natutulog sa kalye, nakakita sila ng isang solusyon na madali lang gawin. RH BILL. Parang sa exams dba? sasagutin mo muna ung madaling problem at SAKA MO BABALIKAN UNG MASMAHIRAP.> <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Well I am against contraceptives for various reasons, one of which is that it is immoral. I won't go into that, 'cause it will probably confuse the issue. It’s a totally different argument.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Meantime, what I am trying to say is kung gusto mo bawasan ang mahihirap, then let's provide employment and opportunities for them through education, training and access to capital. It's hard but it's not impossible and many NGO's are able to do this in smaller communities. <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Moreover, attempts to control population have backfired and has created long term problems. Read up on the population implosion problem. Consider these:<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>1. Starting this year, France's government has been awarding mothers of each new baby 800 euros, almost $1,000.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>2. In Italy, the government is giving mothers of a second child 1,000 euros.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>3. South Korea has expanded tax breaks for families with young children and is increasing support for day-care centers for working women.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>4. Last year parliament members in Singapore called on the government to do more to keep Cupid and the stork busy.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>5. Japanese prefectures have been organizing hiking trips and cruises for single people – dating programs to halt the baby bust. Japanese singles are often called "parasites" because, when they retire, they have no children paying into the national pension system or helping out otherwise.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>6. Estonia's President Arnold Rüütel last year in a television address urged the country's 1.4 million residents to produce more babies, or face a rapidly declining population.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>7. British authorities also worry about the fertility rate. The Office of National Statistics says fertile women will need to have three children to keep Britain's population at 59 million into the future.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>8. Even China, despite its 1.3 billion people, is reportedly considering revising its "one child" rule since its fertility rate of 1.39 is creating an older population – and social and economic problems.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Malaki problema nila ‘cause their people already have the attitude that “more people mean more mouths to feed.” Ngayon wala na bata sa kanila, puro matatanda. Their economies are on a decline due to this since productivity has gone down. Walang papalit sa matatanda sa trabaho nila e. People are a nation’s wealth.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>5. <Tol. Ang ibig sabihin mo freedom with responsibility and morality. Kung freedom lang sinasabi mo. Freedom lang talaga un. That's just it. FREEDOM.><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Medyo I don't get your point here. I'll try to explain my point na lang.<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Freedom isn’t being able to do what you want, it’s being able to do what is right and good. You are not free to do what is NOT good, that would be anarchy, and that is precisely why it has consequences. You can however use whatever means to do what is right as you see fit, THEREIN lies your freedom (as you say freedom of choice), but it should always be for the good. Again, you are free to choose what is good and right. You are not free to choose what is bad, in the same way you are not “free” to kill so to speak. You are not exercising your freedom if you do so. I’m sure deep down you know this, ‘cause it’s written in our conscience. <p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>I can see you are young and I admire your passion. But I respectfully suggest – don’t argue for the sake of argument. Argue to seek the truth. Be careful with what you are saying. Pag isipan mo mabuti. Study the issue first before you take a position on it. You have an opportunity to contribute to society through this way.
Funny guy, He made me laugh.Some what he is encouraging RH Bill. CBCP is anti-rh bill. This bill is not mandatory it's optional. It will be up you. At the end that you'll be the one to decide. CBCP is pro-life but priest them selves doesn't have any child(well some of them at least) just a thought 😀
I can't believe some people here actually believe you're against RH! hahahaha! some people don't get sarcasm… but just saying to all the trolls and haters out there, Philippines is a country not a church.
They seriously want God's opinion on this?
Genesis 1:28 (New International Version)
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth AND SUBDUE IT.
Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Merriam Webster Dictionary
Definition of Subdue – to put under your control
Some people just gotta read the entire verse.
Assuming these were the exact words uttered by God, as interpreted by man years after His passing, it will make perfect sense since He was talking to the only two humans in the vast earth that He just made. I just wonder if He would stil say the very same thing if He were standing before 6BILLION people, a huge portion of whom are dying everyday from malnutrition, disease, etc.
Do you think God would be happy with what He'll see and will continue to tell man to go and multiply some more cause 6BILLION is not enough?
I was putting emphasis on the SUBDUE part of it. Which was most of the time, left out when preached by the catholic church.
What I was saying is, if they read the entire thing and understand it, it would show that God did not only tell people to go forth and multiply but to also PUT IT UNDER CONTROL when it's enough. Which means it is PRO-RH Bill. Gets?
"…PUT IT UNDER CONTROL when it's enough." – the problem here is when is enough actually enough? I'm sure both sides will again have a diverse interpretation on what is enough which does not help fpresolve the issue of whether the country is overpopulatednor not…
Yes, that would be another discussion.
Anyway, when I said "When it is enough", as how I understand it, it means when it is beginning to be a problem, then it is time to put it under control. Like what's been happening now. Children not cared for, not enough education, not enough jobs, not enough food, the society becoming worse… We can see how populated the country is. Some people are just so blinded not to see that. And that alone is already another problem that can stand on its own.
I guess they can see the problems you raised, but their strong allegiance to their faith ("go forth and multiply"…) coupled by the church's insistence that there is no overpopulation, as well as its brainwashing that children are God's blessing, is what's making them 'blind'…
Indeed! Which brings us back to that same old original verse from the bible that they keep using OR misusing in order to prove their point.
It's supposed to be Go forth, multiply, spread throughout the world and SUBDUE! Which is very PRO-RH Bill.
You may very well interpret it that way. But, if the pro-life advocates don't even cringe at the fabricated lies they dish out, do you honestly believe they will see it your way (the "go forth…" verse being pro-RH)?
Yeah. And like what I said, that alone is a heavy issue on its own. The discussion will never end when minds are not open.
PS: theworldiwant5 is an idiot. -_-
Hahaha…you just couldn't hold it anymore ha!:p
Sorry. I'm only human. And his stupidity is stressing me out. -_-
hahaha…better chill cause it will just keep on coming and coming and…
Yeah I can see that. -_- *sighs*
Imagine, taking the time to write a loooong 4-part reply on something he obviously misunderstod! Now, that surely is something.hahaha
*nods* I have been restraining myself from a vein-popping/face-palming moment.
hahaha. he finally got it cause he just deleted his novelas! at least we helped him realize his mistake. one down, a million other nuts to go.hehehe
Win! \o/
..oh, for idiots, include kalbo1029 and imaginativeguy..well, the former is the most idiotic guy i have ever seen..oh, not the most idiotic..he maybe has harold camping for his father..hahaha
i don't want God's opinion on this.
Off topic: "Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground." PETA must really hate god for this. LOL
It's precisely because of people like them who immediately open their mouths before even thinking of what to say, that we are in this situation where a simple issue like the RH bill becomes muddled – thanks to the disinformation campaign of the pro-life advocates!
after 3,000+ posts and we still have idiots. here have a condom [0] do the world a favor and never procreate.
You're funny. This article should convince us right? i don't think so. better luck next time! 🙂
When you ride the MRT, it’s not packed with people.
-you sure? HAHAHA
A writer that was mis informed.
This article is so naive…
Do you even know what you are talking about? Yes, you have some point, but there are lots of mistakes here, overwhelming the right ones. Women aren’t just meant for sex, they are made to be men’s companions. Then theres thing thing about the public school students being provided with books, yes they are: a book for two students to share, another one: teacher to student ratio, what are you, blind? Public school teachers teach more than 50 per classroom. Then PEOPLE ARE SO IGNORANT, DON’T YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT????
Sir, this article is posted in the humor section.
..chill out dude..hahaha
..read first the category..
I just attended mass and the officiating priest made a comment that made me shake my head in disgust! After the usual litany of "heaven is not OVERPOPULATED", be "truthful", etc. he said "what God has put together, let no man put asunder!" kaya yung iba dyan, wag na natin isulong ang divorce dahil bawal yan sa salita ng diyos!
Can somebody out there please enlighten me as to what the heck has divorce got to do with the RH bill? Isn't this another case of deliberate misinformation? Of deceiving? Hay naku…
kaloka no? ano nga naman ang connection ng RH bill sa divorce? or sa abortion? I read the entire thing and i didn't see those there. people should do the same (read) before they start deciding if they're pro or anti-RH bill. or before they start commenting at all. the stupidity is stressing me out. sheeesh.
You're absolutely right, nakakaloko na ang disinformation and muddling of the issues! The abortion thing is associated to the free distribution of contraceptives EVEN if the bill specifically states that abortion is still illegal! As to how they associate CONTRAceptives (read: prevents conception) to abortion is beyond me!
..hahaha..super nakakaloko..to the highest level!
About the RH bill especially the CBCP and all the catholics opposed by this law. many people think about it if they will PRO or ANTI about this matter. For me it is contradicting on what the Bible says. So whatever the result comes up. We always remember that GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME AND ALL THE TIME GOD IS GOOD..,
Another misconception about the RH bill found objectionable by the oppositors: "Why should there be a law telling me how to raise my family or how many children should I have?"
Before we tackle this issue head on, let's agree on some basics first – a lot of our poor female citizens don't know and have no access to reproductive health education. A lot of these mothers do not have the resources to buy
In any civilized debate or discussion betwwen two opposing views, one party tries to win the other over by presenting facts and figures that the other cannot refute. However, when one party is unfortunste to defend a completely indefensible side, it's left with no recourse but to peddle lies and misinformation and, if that's not enough, throw insults and calling them nasty names.
This is what's happening to the RH bill where the pro-life advocates are already dishing out a lot of lies and name-calling and, lately, even threats. How pathetic their position has become where they now peddle the following blatant lies in the hope it will win them more blind adherents:
1) all artificial contraceptives, except those NFP methods espoused by the pro-life advocates and the church, are abortifacients! Therefore, those in favor of the bill are anti-life. — According to the church, life begins at conception. So, how in heaven's name can a condom or iud, which precisely prevents conception, be branded as abortifacients when there is nothing to terminate/abort in the first place!?
2) sex by married couples should only be for procreation purposes and nothing else! Thus, using any artificial means of birth control is necessarily evil and against the word of God! — But isn't this a contradiction by itself, where the church says only the Natural Family Planning methods are okay, and that sex should only be for procreation. This aside, I wonder which right-thinking catholic would avoid making love to his/her spouse, whom he/she loves dearly, for fear of being branded immoral or evil.
3) all contraceptives (no exceptions were mentioned) can cause cancer! — if this were true, then the church and their pro-life minions should immediately sue the manufacturers of condoms and the drugstores that sell them as these are harmful to society!
As for name calling, they have already branded me as evil, abortionist, terrorist and lately, as having marital problems for supporting this bill. Good thing I'm already married so when they call the bachelor-supporters as mentally imbalanced, I won't be included.hehe
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Note that they are not saying that all are abortifacients. Nonetheless, there are abortifacients such as pills, IUD, etc. While the intended effect is to prevent the fertilization of the egg by the sperm, it is not so all the time. It acts to prevent the implantation of the fertilized egg in the uterus, thus aborting the pregnancy. A fertilized egg already has life. It is already a human person. This is a medical fact. As for condoms, many would argue that you are preventing the potential of life. Nakikialam ka sa possibility of life, thus in a sense "aborting" life. Anyhow, the first argument should be sufficient to justify not passing the RH Bill on its own, as it can lead to the killing of the unborn. What if that happened to you with no one fighting for your right to live?
But, by your own definition, you have just classified condoms as abortifacients because its use effectively aborts the possibility of life. Arguing from a point of "what ifs" will lead us nowhere…
when started reading I felt like, “is he serious?” “is he joking?” “unbelievable how twisted and funny this can all be..” LOL.. ah yeah, coz he really is joking! good one! lovely sarcasm..
Good info but has lots of inconsistencies.. catholics should not be wary of these as these contraceptives have been out in the market long long long ago, even people in before and after Christ have been engaging in premarital and extramarital sex.. i think what the church siould do is to aggressively inform the catholics of the consequences of doing this and that, but at the end of the day, its the individual being who will be held responsible for what he will choose, as a citizen of this country, and as a child of God.. there is no point in arguing mith the philippine government, because ever since they do not really care with the welfare of its citizen, they just wantd to pass bills to get possible budget for them to corrupt. What ddjlse is new? The government is the right venue for people who want to be tempted and become evil. We should not expect any further good frm them.
Another misconception about the RH bill: "Why is there a need for a law to be passed that would dictate on me how to raise my own family or how many children should I have?"
Before we tackle this issue head on, let's see first if we can agree on some basic points: a lot of poor, marginalized women/mothers out there are not well informed on the basics of reproductive health (I may even dare say from experience that not even educated women know exactly when is their safe periods!); these women do not have access to the internet or other fora from where they can get this information correctly; these mothers, who can hardly feed their children decent meals, do not have the money to buy contraceptives.
If we can agree on those facts and the need to address them, then we can now clarify the objection above. The government cannot just appropriate and spend taxpayers' money on any social program it sees fit for implementation without an enabling law because that would be illegal. Thus, the RH bill will enable the government to allocate and appropriate the needed funds in order to implement the reforms needed to rectify the abovementioned problems. Then again, the benefits of this program – education campaign, reproductive health services, etc., are only for those target beneficiaries who want them. Those who do not want them are free to say no and continue having children beyond their means. Clear enough?
Ayos!
one sided ang article at nakakatawa. tsaka taapos na ang april fools day! haha XD
The reverse psychology is brilliant, and also highly entertaining.
I agree. If we pass the RH bill, we will become extinct, like dinosaurs.
– This had me laughing.
The truth is that parents talk to their children about sex all the time. It’s so not awkward. The dad usually tells his children how he takes off all his clothes, does a sexy Tiger growl and makes sweet, sweet music with their mother’s body.
– This had me ROFL.
Love the hidden sarcasm in the whole article. I’m pretty sure people who are against RH Bill think exactly this way.
Let's try to analyze what are the real objections of those catholics vehemently opposing the RH bill:
a) the RCC, thru the CBCP, says that this should be opposed, under threat of excommunication or eternal damnation! Thus, all catholics should blindly follow this dictate!
b) the RH bill is imperfect, having a lot of loopholes!
c) as a citizen, I don't need an RH bill. The funds allocated for this program can be put to better use.
d) why is there a need for a law to legitimize the distribution of contraceptives when these are already freely available everywhere?
As a catholic myself, I put my faith in God, not in man! I don't consider myself a soldier who is supposed to follow my superior's orders blindly, even if these are immoral, illogical or senseless! I was given a brain and a conscience to discern which is right or wrong, and not just blindly follow what the priests tell me.
The RH bill, despite its numerous revisions, may still have some provisions which others may find objectionable. But, let's not forget that this particular bill, like any other bill before and those that will come after, was crafted by man, just like the Holy Bible was written by man years after the actual words of God were actually uttered. So, to oppose a bill just because one finds a couple of objectionable provisions (compared to a hundred positive ones) may not be reasonable. As for those objectionable provisions, if indeed detrimental to society, that's where a vigilant citizenry, together with the inherent safeguards provided by the government, come in.
Basing on the comments written here, a lot of people mistake themselves as the target of this bill. You and I, who clearly have access to the internet, are not the subjects of the bill. The real target of the bill, as the name of the bill connotes (reproductive health), are the poor women in our society, those whose children barely eat a decent meal (rice with salt is by no means decent), those who clearly cannot afford any more children, those intellectually deprived, those without any skill for a productive endeavor, those women who are beaten by their drunk husbands who refuse sex cause she doesn't want any more children, etc. etc.
The RH bill has an education component whereby the target women will be enlightened on what her options are should she choose not to have any more children. It is only if she opts not to have any more children and cannot afford to buy her own chosen form of contraceptive, that the government will provide these. If she chooses not to use any contraceptive, then no one will force her otherwise! Contrary to what others may think, the contraceptives will not be given to horny guys, but to the wives of these guys.
Hopefully, the foregoing clarifies some of the objections of those opposing the bill's passage…
Haha! Me likey! I was actually flabbergasted at first. When you discussed the positive points of the bill, I was confused because you really sounded pro, and so I wondered if the title was right. But when you started to enumerate the points why it’s bad I was smiling,grinning and finally laughing! Apparently though there are a lot of people who hasn’t encountered this form of writing yet.Anyway, congratulations!!!I hope the message gets through…:-)
are you sure of what you’re writing?how sure are you that all the public schools are provided with books and supplies?be a teacher then you’ll know the reality..and why did you say that priests, etc.are expert about this?do they have a wife?are they having sex every night?to whom?with nuns?lol!they can’t judge other people if they want to use contraceptives because they were just thinking about the future of their babies..or else you will just look you’re baby starving and dying!hello?we are in the third country which means we are not rich!and many filipinos cant even afford to buy enough food for their family!!be realistic!you are much relying with your priests!are they God?Saint?they dont even have a wife and child..which means they did not follow the commandment of God that says “go to the world and multiply” right??anyways, the church and state are supposed to be separated so they must have no right to interrupt the program of the state..
This a creative writing pls do read all the contents of the article and also the comments posted. 🙂