Comments on: Come Into The Light http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/02/06/come-into-the-light/ A fellowship of atheists, agnostics, deists, humanists, skeptics, and freethinkers in the Philippines and around the world. Tue, 22 May 2012 15:40:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Darwin’s Missing Link | The Pinoy Connection http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/02/06/come-into-the-light/comment-page-1/#comment-3455 Darwin’s Missing Link | The Pinoy Connection Thu, 23 Dec 2010 05:33:26 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=2998#comment-3455 [...] Come Into The Light [...] [...] Come Into The Light [...]

]]> By: marc http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/02/06/come-into-the-light/comment-page-1/#comment-3454 marc Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:20:53 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=2998#comment-3454 The bible is not just hearsay, it is plagiarism. There are numerous mythic deities that are just like jesus christ and they all came long before he supposedy did. The story of the egyptian sun god Horus is virtually identical to that of jesus. Born dec 25 of the virgin Isis, birth accompanied by a star in the east, had 12 disciples, performed miracles, walked on water, raised the dead, was betrayed by typhon, crucified was buried and ressurected after 3 days. Same with Krishna, Mithra, Attis. Even the story of Buddha shares so much of the same storyline. Sorry to dissapoint but the Bible is pretty much copied from other cultures, primitive religions and mythology. Crucifixion and resurrection story? try Baal from Babylon. How about Hercules, the son of Zeus, born by a mortal woman, Hera wants him dead as a baby, (Herod anybody?) went down to the underworld, died as a mortal then ressurected by his father to be with him in olympia. Sounds familiar? The bible is not just hearsay, it is plagiarism. There are numerous mythic deities that are just like jesus christ and they all came long before he supposedy did. The story of the egyptian sun god Horus is virtually identical to that of jesus. Born dec 25 of the virgin Isis, birth accompanied by a star in the east, had 12 disciples, performed miracles, walked on water, raised the dead, was betrayed by typhon, crucified was buried and ressurected after 3 days. Same with Krishna, Mithra, Attis. Even the story of Buddha shares so much of the same storyline. Sorry to dissapoint but the Bible is pretty much copied from other cultures, primitive religions and mythology. Crucifixion and resurrection story? try Baal from Babylon. How about Hercules, the son of Zeus, born by a mortal woman, Hera wants him dead as a baby, (Herod anybody?) went down to the underworld, died as a mortal then ressurected by his father to be with him in olympia. Sounds familiar?

]]> By: Igme http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/02/06/come-into-the-light/comment-page-1/#comment-3453 Igme Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:07:39 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=2998#comment-3453 even in the absense of malice information is not that easy to transfer, absorb, and transfer again.... take rumors, grapevines, scuttlebut or things of that nature, we often associate the imperfections in information as something born of malice; it is not always the case. that's just how information can potentially morph into something else. lets just say Jesus is god, he signifies 100% of all those knowledge you so love. does it follow that a disciple can absorb all that 100%? 90% perhaps? Next question would be can he diseminate 100% the information that he has absorbed? Is he overeager to spread the word of his master, embelish or exagerate, you know as excited folks always do, 'well my guy is better than that!' that sort of thing. There are afterall many gods in atiquity, he needs to get noticed. Then again maybe he is a discipline journalist beyond his time; he says it as it is? What if he cannot articulate fluidly by writing? what if he can't speak latin to good? multiply that handicap by thousands...Do you still have that 100 percent? And I am still not supposing there is a liar or any malicious intent yet.... even in the absense of malice information is not that easy to transfer, absorb, and transfer again….

take rumors, grapevines, scuttlebut or things of that nature, we often associate the imperfections in information as something born of malice; it is not always the case. that's just how information can potentially morph into something else.

lets just say Jesus is god, he signifies 100% of all those knowledge you so love. does it follow that a disciple can absorb all that 100%? 90% perhaps? Next question would be can he diseminate 100% the information that he has absorbed?

Is he overeager to spread the word of his master, embelish or exagerate, you know as excited folks always do, 'well my guy is better than that!' that sort of thing. There are afterall many gods in atiquity, he needs to get noticed. Then again maybe he is a discipline journalist beyond his time; he says it as it is? What if he cannot articulate fluidly by writing? what if he can't speak latin to good? multiply that handicap by thousands…Do you still have that 100 percent?

And I am still not supposing there is a liar or any malicious intent yet….

]]> By: innerminds http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/02/06/come-into-the-light/comment-page-1/#comment-3452 innerminds Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:50:52 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=2998#comment-3452 Let me put it this way. Let us assume that Jesus is really God incarnate. Now, did Jesus himself write the New Testament? In the book of Matthew, for example, it was Matthew who wrote, "Jesus said...". That is already hearsay. Now add to that the fact that there were no printing presses at the time of Matthew, and what he claimed to be the words of Jesus were passed on verbally and by writing (not photocopying or other high-fidelity reproduction) from generation to generation. Let me put it this way. Let us assume that Jesus is really God incarnate. Now, did Jesus himself write the New Testament? In the book of Matthew, for example, it was Matthew who wrote, "Jesus said…". That is already hearsay. Now add to that the fact that there were no printing presses at the time of Matthew, and what he claimed to be the words of Jesus were passed on verbally and by writing (not photocopying or other high-fidelity reproduction) from generation to generation.

]]> By: GabbyD http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/02/06/come-into-the-light/comment-page-1/#comment-3451 GabbyD Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:19:47 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=2998#comment-3451 1. ur argument is that eyewitness testimony matters only if the eyewitness is alive. thats not true. in that case, ALL of our knowledge of history should be thrown away. 2). ah ok. 1. ur argument is that eyewitness testimony matters only if the eyewitness is alive. thats not true.

in that case, ALL of our knowledge of history should be thrown away.

2). ah ok.

]]> By: innerminds http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/02/06/come-into-the-light/comment-page-1/#comment-3450 innerminds Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:27:05 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=2998#comment-3450 @GabbyD: It is hearsay as far as you and me are concerned. We were not there when the Bible was written, and these "eyewitness testimonies" have been passed on by spoken and written word (there were no printing presses then) from generation to generation and has already undergone several translations. An example of people who "don't get to live at all" because of religion would be the women in Afghanistan when the Taliban was in power. @GabbyD: It is hearsay as far as you and me are concerned. We were not there when the Bible was written, and these "eyewitness testimonies" have been passed on by spoken and written word (there were no printing presses then) from generation to generation and has already undergone several translations.

An example of people who "don't get to live at all" because of religion would be the women in Afghanistan when the Taliban was in power.

]]> By: GabbyD http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/02/06/come-into-the-light/comment-page-1/#comment-3449 GabbyD Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:40:19 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=2998#comment-3449 re hearsay: its not! its a written recording of eyewitness testimony. also, what do u mean by: ". And because of this, a lot of people fail to live their lives fully in terms of time and freedom, and some don’t get to live a life at all" dont get to live at all? example? re hearsay: its not! its a written recording of eyewitness testimony.

also, what do u mean by:

". And because of this, a lot of people fail to live their lives fully in terms of time and freedom, and some don’t get to live a life at all"

dont get to live at all? example?

]]> By: ACPatagnan http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/02/06/come-into-the-light/comment-page-1/#comment-3448 ACPatagnan Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:16:19 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=2998#comment-3448 No, science do not ask us anything, either believing or openings our eyes. For science is a compilation of the result of the process of reason (knowledge). It is up to us each individual to read,learn and understand those compilation and apply to our own life or to evade. Science is knowledge about reality, the physical world we live in, it is true, definitely absolutely a recognition of the facts of what is real-reality, existence. Have you ever observed that religion is trying to merge with science in a very subtle ways? Religious/theistic ideas mixing with the body of knowledge? No, science do not ask us anything, either believing or openings our eyes. For science is a compilation of the result of the process of reason (knowledge). It is up to us each individual to read,learn and understand those compilation and apply to our own life or to evade. Science is knowledge about reality, the physical world we live in, it is true, definitely absolutely a recognition of the facts of what is real-reality, existence.

Have you ever observed that religion is trying to merge with science in a very subtle ways? Religious/theistic ideas mixing with the body of knowledge?

]]> By: Romeo Macapobre http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/02/06/come-into-the-light/comment-page-1/#comment-3447 Romeo Macapobre Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:46:35 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=2998#comment-3447 i didn't enjoy much this film because it focused on his relationship with his family and friends rather than the arguments for his theory. i was hoping there would be a kind of trial court or something .. ^_^ the bit about the wasp i have read earlier from dawkins' greatest show on earth. dawkins must have gotten it from darwin .. ^_^ i didn't enjoy much this film because it focused on his relationship with his family and friends rather than the arguments for his theory. i was hoping there would be a kind of trial court or something .. ^_^

the bit about the wasp i have read earlier from dawkins' greatest show on earth. dawkins must have gotten it from darwin .. ^_^

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