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		<title>By: intsiksiomai</title>
		<link>http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/01/10/he-believes-in-miracles/comment-page-1/#comment-2851</link>
		<dc:creator>intsiksiomai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Faith in general is really a powerful thing.  We can accomplish more in sports or in exams when we have faith in our abilities. 
2. People with a stronger &quot;WILL&quot; to live tend to live longer because they do everything they can to achieve it. 
3. If Jesus or Allah is the connector for people to actually have &quot;faith&quot; to accomplish or defeat something, then it is equally effective. 
4.  But Jesus or Allah in an equation can be cancelled out and still achieve the same result.  It&#039;s like using a flashlight to directly view an object versus pointing the flashlight to a metal reflector and when the light bounces, you see the object. 
5.  If a sick person has exactly the same faith in Zorro to heal him as he has that faith in Jesus now, the result will be the same.  It&#039;s not that Jesus, Zorro, Santa performed the miracles, it&#039;s the faith itself that is fantastic. 
6.  The one science need to explore and study  is &quot;faith&quot; and its elements....there is something to it... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Faith in general is really a powerful thing.  We can accomplish more in sports or in exams when we have faith in our abilities.<br />
2. People with a stronger &quot;WILL&quot; to live tend to live longer because they do everything they can to achieve it.<br />
3. If Jesus or Allah is the connector for people to actually have &quot;faith&quot; to accomplish or defeat something, then it is equally effective.<br />
4.  But Jesus or Allah in an equation can be cancelled out and still achieve the same result.  It&#039;s like using a flashlight to directly view an object versus pointing the flashlight to a metal reflector and when the light bounces, you see the object.<br />
5.  If a sick person has exactly the same faith in Zorro to heal him as he has that faith in Jesus now, the result will be the same.  It&#039;s not that Jesus, Zorro, Santa performed the miracles, it&#039;s the faith itself that is fantastic.<br />
6.  The one science need to explore and study  is &quot;faith&quot; and its elements&#8230;.there is something to it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Igme</title>
		<link>http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/01/10/he-believes-in-miracles/comment-page-1/#comment-2850</link>
		<dc:creator>Igme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 08:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>which still leaves you without proof... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>which still leaves you without proof&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Caяl</title>
		<link>http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/01/10/he-believes-in-miracles/comment-page-1/#comment-2849</link>
		<dc:creator>Caяl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 06:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you say to this proposition: For the religious with genuine devotion, their belief and devotion can strengthen their immune system back to a better state of health even in cancer patients after the period when the immune system was initially attacked and compromised. Inviting comments. I do not say whether I believe this to be true, i have not collected any evidence nor conducted any interviews. My interest orbiting more on the relationship between mind attitude and body. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you say to this proposition: For the religious with genuine devotion, their belief and devotion can strengthen their immune system back to a better state of health even in cancer patients after the period when the immune system was initially attacked and compromised. Inviting comments. I do not say whether I believe this to be true, i have not collected any evidence nor conducted any interviews. My interest orbiting more on the relationship between mind attitude and body.</p>
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		<title>By: Caяl</title>
		<link>http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/01/10/he-believes-in-miracles/comment-page-1/#comment-2848</link>
		<dc:creator>Caяl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A God with bad grammar just posted a comment and goes by the name Thor *Ducks to avoid Thor&#039;s hammer strike* </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A God with bad grammar just posted a comment and goes by the name Thor *Ducks to avoid Thor&#039;s hammer strike*</p>
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		<title>By: Thor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science cannot never prove miracles because it is supernatural. Freethinkers cannot prove the existence of God so they assume that there is no God. Excellent theory! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science cannot never prove miracles because it is supernatural. Freethinkers cannot prove the existence of God so they assume that there is no God. Excellent theory!</p>
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		<title>By: Sathepine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sathepine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, nice timing. I just talked with the source (LOL) and we concluded it probably wasn&#039;t terminal. 
 
But anyway, because he was scheduled for surgery meant that the doctors were convinced that he needed it, or it could benefit him. My impression was that before being operated on, the patients would have to undergo tests, like for example, an MRI to identify and locate the tumor. So the doctors who scheduled the surgery were themselves convinced he had cancer. 
 
However, I still maintain that he had some other kind of cancer-mimicking disease that wasn&#039;t threatening. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, nice timing. I just talked with the source (LOL) and we concluded it probably wasn&#039;t terminal. </p>
<p>But anyway, because he was scheduled for surgery meant that the doctors were convinced that he needed it, or it could benefit him. My impression was that before being operated on, the patients would have to undergo tests, like for example, an MRI to identify and locate the tumor. So the doctors who scheduled the surgery were themselves convinced he had cancer. </p>
<p>However, I still maintain that he had some other kind of cancer-mimicking disease that wasn&#039;t threatening.</p>
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		<title>By: Sathepine</title>
		<link>http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010/01/10/he-believes-in-miracles/comment-page-1/#comment-2845</link>
		<dc:creator>Sathepine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, I&#039;m changing the article because I&#039;ve just recently clarified some things. 
 
1) The source doesn&#039;t want to be mentioned because it&#039;s second-hand knowledge and he doesn&#039;t know the specifics so he doesn&#039;t want to be accountable for them. So I will change him to &quot;friend&quot;, which he says is OK. 
 
2) The source said things like &quot;He was practically resurrected from the dead&quot; so I assumed the cancer to be terminal, but it was probably not. I clarified with the source and he does not know what stage, but it wasn&#039;t stage 4 yet, or the terminal stage (is it stage 4?). I think they were just really very concerned that the grandfather (but he wasn&#039;t a grandfather at that time, mind you) had cancer. During that time, medicine wasn&#039;t that advanced and cancer was like doom or something. 
 
By the way, the grandfather is still alive and cancer-free today. Somebody should interview him as to what really happened LOL </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m sorry, I&#039;m changing the article because I&#039;ve just recently clarified some things. </p>
<p>1) The source doesn&#039;t want to be mentioned because it&#039;s second-hand knowledge and he doesn&#039;t know the specifics so he doesn&#039;t want to be accountable for them. So I will change him to &quot;friend&quot;, which he says is OK. </p>
<p>2) The source said things like &quot;He was practically resurrected from the dead&quot; so I assumed the cancer to be terminal, but it was probably not. I clarified with the source and he does not know what stage, but it wasn&#039;t stage 4 yet, or the terminal stage (is it stage 4?). I think they were just really very concerned that the grandfather (but he wasn&#039;t a grandfather at that time, mind you) had cancer. During that time, medicine wasn&#039;t that advanced and cancer was like doom or something. </p>
<p>By the way, the grandfather is still alive and cancer-free today. Somebody should interview him as to what really happened LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The part where the grandfather is able to walk far enough to go to a nearby church to pray suggests to me that he was probably already cured of terminal cancer before he even left his bed. It is likely that even much earlier than his admission, he was already cancer-free. 
 
Even if it was cancer, spontaneous remissions happen. Imagine a pie chart divided into two categories, cancer patients that get healed, and those that do not. Now, apply this ratio to the number of religious and non-religious. You will have a greater number of religious people in the remission category just doing the math. Since religious people who are at the risk of dying tend to go to extreme lengths to pray, it is practically inevitable that this scenario, as described, will happen. If it doesn&#039;t happen to you, it&#039;s bound to happen to someone else. It happens, someone notices, it gets reported as a miracle. If not, it gets ignored -- confirmation bias. We forget all those millions of lives who pray even harder but eventually succumb to the disease. 
 
Also, there is no archeological evidence that the Jews were even ever held as slaves in Egypt. There is not even the slightest mention in Egyptian record nor in any other contemporary record that corroborates the story of the Exodus. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part where the grandfather is able to walk far enough to go to a nearby church to pray suggests to me that he was probably already cured of terminal cancer before he even left his bed. It is likely that even much earlier than his admission, he was already cancer-free. </p>
<p>Even if it was cancer, spontaneous remissions happen. Imagine a pie chart divided into two categories, cancer patients that get healed, and those that do not. Now, apply this ratio to the number of religious and non-religious. You will have a greater number of religious people in the remission category just doing the math. Since religious people who are at the risk of dying tend to go to extreme lengths to pray, it is practically inevitable that this scenario, as described, will happen. If it doesn&#039;t happen to you, it&#039;s bound to happen to someone else. It happens, someone notices, it gets reported as a miracle. If not, it gets ignored &#8212; confirmation bias. We forget all those millions of lives who pray even harder but eventually succumb to the disease. </p>
<p>Also, there is no archeological evidence that the Jews were even ever held as slaves in Egypt. There is not even the slightest mention in Egyptian record nor in any other contemporary record that corroborates the story of the Exodus.</p>
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