Comments on: Ghosts http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/ A fellowship of atheists, agnostics, deists, humanists, skeptics, and freethinkers in the Philippines and around the world. Tue, 22 May 2012 10:14:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Ugin A. Neri http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/comment-page-1/#comment-1410 Ugin A. Neri Sat, 16 Oct 2010 05:44:01 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=1129#comment-1410 i believe in ghost, not through supernatural sense but through scientific perspective. i believe that ghosts are just manifestations of the deceased in what einstein called 'spacetime'. to make my point easy to understand, let me explain it in another way. everything is made up of energy and matter is just a concentrated form of it. we, humans are not excluded. in time of death, our emotions boosts up our consciousness which in turn makes our creative power more powerful. (fact; in quantum mechanics, consciousness affects the wave-particle duality of the sub-atomic particles.) while dying, our consciousness may release some of the energy we are made of in spacetime and remains there which we could confuse as a ghost. the stronger the emotion, the stronger the consciousness, the more the energy etch in spacetime, and the stronger the manifestation of the deceased appear. (this may be the reason why people who die tragically such as murder, suicide and accident show more. places become haunted when many people die tragically in there.) i'm a science loving guy and believe that supernaturals are bullshit but i cannot deny that once, i had encountered a tyanak. we where then at the middle of the woods at the the middle of the night when a loud, and very beautiful, cry of a baby burst out of the dark. it was as if it came from a dolby surround speaker. i have no third eye whatsoever and it was more than five of us who heard it. what was a baby doing under the thickets? how could it stroll in the darkness of the night? and how could the cry follow us 2-3 kilometers away? (sori for my english) i believe in ghost, not through supernatural sense but through scientific perspective. i believe that ghosts are just manifestations of the deceased in what einstein called 'spacetime'. to make my point easy to understand, let me explain it in another way. everything is made up of energy and matter is just a concentrated form of it. we, humans are not excluded. in time of death, our emotions boosts up our consciousness which in turn makes our creative power more powerful. (fact; in quantum mechanics, consciousness affects the wave-particle duality of the sub-atomic particles.) while dying, our consciousness may release some of the energy we are made of in spacetime and remains there which we could confuse as a ghost. the stronger the emotion, the stronger the consciousness, the more the energy etch in spacetime, and the stronger the manifestation of the deceased appear. (this may be the reason why people who die tragically such as murder, suicide and accident show more. places become haunted when many people die tragically in there.)

i'm a science loving guy and believe that supernaturals are bullshit but i cannot deny that once, i had encountered a tyanak. we where then at the middle of the woods at the the middle of the night when a loud, and very beautiful, cry of a baby burst out of the dark. it was as if it came from a dolby surround speaker. i have no third eye whatsoever and it was more than five of us who heard it. what was a baby doing under the thickets? how could it stroll in the darkness of the night? and how could the cry follow us 2-3 kilometers away?

(sori for my english)

]]> By: joma http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/comment-page-1/#comment-1409 joma Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:46:33 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=1129#comment-1409 and inspite of what was said, i still get the gooseflesh when im left alone in the dark. and inspite of what was said, i still get the gooseflesh when im left alone in the dark.

]]> By: Nikolas Balthazar http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/comment-page-1/#comment-1408 Nikolas Balthazar Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:23:34 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=1129#comment-1408 Oops sorry, mis read that. Sorry Tania :D Oops sorry, mis read that. Sorry Tania :D

]]> By: Tania Arpa http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/comment-page-1/#comment-1407 Tania Arpa Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:53:03 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=1129#comment-1407 @ram: Yeah, me too. See ya! @ram: Yeah, me too. See ya!

]]> By: Ram Fernando http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/comment-page-1/#comment-1406 Ram Fernando Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:22:08 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=1129#comment-1406 Good. :) I hope I meet you soon in FF gatherings as well. Good. :) I hope I meet you soon in FF gatherings as well.

]]> By: Tania Arpa http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/comment-page-1/#comment-1404 Tania Arpa Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:01:38 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=1129#comment-1404 Nikolas: Re Tiyanak-- I wouldn't be surprised if the tiyanak myth appeared after the beginning of the Spanish colonization. Because the tiyanak myth smacks of Catholic guilt by women who did not want their babies, and it struck me that it was probably a means of scaring pregnant women into carrying their fetuses to term. Nikolas: Re Tiyanak– I wouldn't be surprised if the tiyanak myth appeared after the beginning of the Spanish colonization. Because the tiyanak myth smacks of Catholic guilt by women who did not want their babies, and it struck me that it was probably a means of scaring pregnant women into carrying their fetuses to term.

]]> By: Geri Villas http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/comment-page-1/#comment-1403 Geri Villas Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:58:57 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=1129#comment-1403 @ Nikolas - Ooops, It was Tania's not mine. :) @ Nikolas – Ooops, It was Tania's not mine. :)

]]> By: Nikolas Balthazar http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/comment-page-1/#comment-1402 Nikolas Balthazar Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:49:42 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=1129#comment-1402 Great Article Geri :) I would like to add, according to my lolo who was a guerrila in WWII the those popular versions of the myths were pretty recent. The tiyanac most of all. He says he heard of them only during the war as an insurgent, despite coming from a rural background. Probably the idea sprang from the infant mortality of war. Although I wouldn't be surprised if it actually came about from the civilian massacres of the Phil-Am war (1 million deaths, gotta have a lot of babies that died then). Some of them were clearly invented during the spanish philippine conflicts as a deterrent. Particularly the Tikbalang, when you consider that horses are not indegenous and the largest wild mamal you can actually find in the philippines is the wild boar. Then the Mananangal which is a cultural derivative of the Asian Penangolan is another monster whose roots can be called into question. What is strange is despite having the largest of Birds (Philippine Eagle) and Snakes, we do not have myths that take advantage of the shock value of these creatures (which I find quite sad). Our lack of education is quite telling by the amount of superstition people are ready to believe. Great Article Geri :)

I would like to add, according to my lolo who was a guerrila in WWII the those popular versions of the myths were pretty recent. The tiyanac most of all. He says he heard of them only during the war as an insurgent, despite coming from a rural background. Probably the idea sprang from the infant mortality of war. Although I wouldn't be surprised if it actually came about from the civilian massacres of the Phil-Am war (1 million deaths, gotta have a lot of babies that died then).

Some of them were clearly invented during the spanish philippine conflicts as a deterrent. Particularly the Tikbalang, when you consider that horses are not indegenous and the largest wild mamal you can actually find in the philippines is the wild boar.

Then the Mananangal which is a cultural derivative of the Asian Penangolan is another monster whose roots can be called into question.

What is strange is despite having the largest of Birds (Philippine Eagle) and Snakes, we do not have myths that take advantage of the shock value of these creatures (which I find quite sad).

Our lack of education is quite telling by the amount of superstition people are ready to believe.

]]> By: wes http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/comment-page-1/#comment-1398 wes Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:00:39 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=1129#comment-1398 Yay! Whedon fans represent! :D Yay! Whedon fans represent! :D

]]> By: Tania Arpa http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/27/ghosts/comment-page-1/#comment-1405 Tania Arpa Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:03:46 +0000 http://filipinofreethinkers.org/?p=1129#comment-1405 @ram: Thanks! And sadly, I must confess I haven't had time to check out Hellblazer. I mean to, though, and I guess I should also check out The Preacher :) Vertigo rocks. @ram: Thanks! And sadly, I must confess I haven't had time to check out Hellblazer. I mean to, though, and I guess I should also check out The Preacher :) Vertigo rocks.

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