Comments on: How to Oppose the RH Bill

By: innerminds

innerminds — Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:14:22 +0000

[That fertilized egg should be given a chance to live, if it will make their parents suffer more at least bring them to the orphanage or under the care of the government]

Better yet, bring them to one of the orphanages owned by CBCP. I'm sure they have dozens of orphanages all over the country judging from their ardor in making sure not only that every fertilized egg gets born, but that every sexual encounter during a woman's fertile period results in a fertilized egg.

By: Twin_Skies

Twin_Skies — Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:15:24 +0000

@MrKalimuto
//A fertilized egg will still have the same DNA as the baby it forms into, one is just older. A baby when it grows will have human rights.//

So let's give it human rights when it's still in the womb. Did you know that 25 percent of pregnancies end in miscarriages? http://www.womens-health.co.uk/miscarr.asp

Given these two factors, and given our current laws, shall we now start arresting women who have miscarriages and charge them on grounds of manslaughter?

You're bellyaching about the "sexuality" that contraceptives brings upon teens, and yet you fail to grasp the situation our women live in now – more than 10 percent of birthing mothers in the Philippines are women within the 14 to 19 year old range. They became pregnant because they did not know any better about their sexuality, or that they had options available that enabled them to plan better for their child, instead of being forced to carry them when they had neither the monetary nor emotional needed to raise them properly.

And your answer for this situation is to deny our women access to medical care and education? FYI, the last time somebody tried that – eliminating sex education and contraceptives education for teens – these areas ended up having higher than average incidences of unwanted pregnancies.
http://toddyenglish.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/teen…

By: MrKalimuno

MrKalimuno — Sun, 18 Sep 2011 05:48:07 +0000

A fertilized egg will still have the same DNA as the baby it forms into, one is just older. A baby when it grows will have human rights. That fertilized egg should be given a chance to live, if it will make their parents suffer more at least bring them to the orphanage or under the care of the government, what is the use of a state without its people,. The child may have caused his/ her mothers death. But what can we do about it? They simply use short-term solutions. They do not see the sexuality induced by contraceptives. Many Filipinos have some tendency to abuse, corruption, with their wives. And contraceptives can be easily abused by minors. If we use long-term solutions like proper education(k-12) we can bring better morality from filipinos, and with that we can all earn more resources to lessen poverty and then population will be just right because everyone knows well how to live their family better.

By: Twin-Skies

Twin-Skies — Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:44:52 +0000

A close look at the Chilean model for family planning also reveals that while abortions are illegal, they do have comprehensive contraceptive and sex education programs. The Philippines does not deserve your brand of crass ignorance and lies, Filo.

Now kindly stop being a bitch for the FilipinosforLife movement.

By: @The_Filozopher

@The_Filozopher — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:34:45 +0000

I think the Philippines deserves something better than the RH Bill, more like Chile Crece Contigo (Chile Grows With You) & Comprametidos por la Vida (Committed to Life). It supports both rights of the mother & unborn to schooling age & resulted in the lowest natal & maternal mortality rates in Latin America. Problem is that there appears undue haste in passing the RH Bill despite legal & technical objections & the existence of a successful alternative to meet both opposing sides' concerns.

By: willyj77

willyj77 — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:47:42 +0000

Folks,
You haven't addressed any of Wilberg's arguments, much as I read your responses again and again. And again. All he says is you can't divorce science from morality, and that the RH bill is unconstitutional – in so many words. All you can say is "don't impose your morality" and some unsubstantiated accusations and labels. And just what is your 'morality', on the other hand, based upon? You have one, don't you. Or maybe you don't. You are giving "freethinkers" a bad name. tsk-tsk.

By: willyj77

willyj77 — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:17:32 +0000

What "men's rights", for example? The right to free condoms? There is no such right. For if it really were a "human right" to be given free contraceptives or contraceptive services (funded by the government), it would follow that anyone refusing to provide them would be guilty of a human rights violation. No such. It is admitted that sound public policy does not admit of conscientious objection — WHEN we speak of AUTHENTIC human rights. Being entitled to the "full range" of free contraceptives is not such a right, and further as I pointed out earlier, runs counter to fundamental State Policies.

By: willyj77

willyj77 — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:45:06 +0000

1) The Consitutional provision makes it certain that the unborn child, from the moment of its conception, is in effect to be granted a presumptive legal personality until birth. This legal personality would be a constitutional conferral of the right to life of the unborn, from the moment of conception. In other words, the fertilized ovum, throughout its development until birth, shall be recognized conditionally as a human "person" in the eyes of the law, with certain primordial human rights, without necessarily granting to it the complete Bill of Rights. Do not confuse what is in the statutory laws (eg Penal Code) to what is in the Fundamental law (Constitution), as statutes flow from constitutional law and not vice-versa. Your example does not apply.

2) If "the programs of DoH haven't done that much to curb the Philippines' maternal deaths issue", that is not enough justification to enact a redundant law which seeks to do exactly the same thing. Strengthen/streamline the DOH for it to be able to fulfill its mandate – its job. Let the executive and legislative branch provide directives and resources within the existing framework to make it happen. For what assurance do we have that the RH bill can do any better on the same programs? We must demand results from the DOH who was allotted 12 billion this year to do such same, same tasks. 12 billion pesos, here and now. Check out the GAA. No need for an RH law.

By: Twin-Skies

Twin-Skies — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:17:48 +0000

[As for women's rights , we already have RA 9710 Magna Carta For Women. In short, the bad in the RH bill is unconstitutional, and whatever good there is in there is both unnecessary and redundant.]

No necessarily redundant, considering that the RH Bill is aimed at addressing the needs of women AND men.

By: Twin-Skies

Twin-Skies — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:11:50 +0000

Two questions, Willy:

1. If life begins at conception, then does it not follow that we shall treat the developing zygote with the same degree of rights, and as it follows, responsibilities as that of a Filipino Citizen? Given that more than half of pregnancies end in a miscarriage, I motion that since we recognize the dead zygote as a human person, it's only fair to follow that the mother carrying them be arrested, and be charged with parental neglect (child abuse), leading to involuntary manslaughter.

2. Given that the programs that the DoH haven't done that much to curb the Philippines' maternal deaths issue, I think it goes without saying that we need something more substantial than a several piecemeal solutions. And with regard for POPCOM, you will find that they are among the supporters of the RH Bill :
http://www.dailymirror.ph/Mar-2011/Mar282011/pep3…